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Post by Spencer Jardine - SVSU on Nov 22, 2010 1:20:44 GMT -6
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Post by trippiedigv12 on Nov 22, 2010 10:23:54 GMT -6
#1) Thanks for getting this on video and making it public. I think it really demonstrates the gap in effectiveness between the two strategies the teams used, and shows the whole world why SVSU was able to win by a solid 3-0 margin. Pure and simple, they were better on Saturday. The video demonstrates that. #2) I understand that YouTube puts space limits on single videos that prevent the file from getting too large. With that said, I think it's necessary that we all watch the rest of point #2 up on video because I think it could be an invaluable teaching tool for our officials and administrators because it was, by far, the most eventful part of the entire 50 minutes. You know it's bad when the scorer's table is telling the GVSU guys that "they can stay in the next time they are hit, just to make it fair." Thanks, I guess. I'm also excited to see the second half, because that was an utter domination of GVSU by SVSU, and because no one celebrates soft hands catches quite like Stein does. Truly, he's one of a kind.
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Post by trippiedigv12 on Nov 22, 2010 10:33:18 GMT -6
This one, right here, is the most critical video of the whole game. www.youtube.com/user/ncdadodgeball#p/u/1/PhgvMJLWgacAt least up until half, when SVSU was able to get either the first six or first seven kills of the second half, which was truly a dominant moment in the game.
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Post by stokesj on Nov 22, 2010 14:19:23 GMT -6
Yes I can fill you in on that one... The person that was doing the shot clock for our team thought that you start at five when a 10 or 15 second shot clock violation was called. This happened 3 times. It took until the third time for me to realise what happened. So the result of these mishaps with the shot clocks caused our players to rush the throw which ended up with catches. I agree that SVSU overall played better than we did, but I think the game would have been very different with different referees. There was also an instant where a shot clock violation was called and the counter came onto the court and starting talking to two of my players and the head ref called for the game to start. Count started on five, my other players ran up and threw a catch and the whole time I was trying to tell the ref to stop play because the counter was on the court, but he wouldn't reset play. These are all from my and my teams viewpont so it'll be a little biased, but I had parents who have never seen a dodgeball match come up to me and say there was something weird going on with the reffing. That right there is an indication that something is wrong. I have other issues with the reffing, for example, both the SVSU counter and our GVSU counter. I agree that neither of us were throwing anything close to legitimate throws, it was so bad at one point that a legitimate throw could have been someone rolling a ball to the other side of the court. We also need more refs period. I think there was one head ref, and two counters. There needs to be line refs and a secondary ref in the middle of the court.
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Post by stokesj on Nov 22, 2010 14:27:22 GMT -6
Honestly, I'm unsure if the clock issue happened three times. It could have been twice, could have been four times. All I know is that it happened more than once and it resulted in bad things for our team. P.S. Sorry if I sound bitter in this and the previous post. I'm just frustrated.
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Post by woojumbo on Nov 22, 2010 14:33:23 GMT -6
I have to agree with the counting issue. It was off on both sides, and at one point Balls over was called on GVSU and i got smoked in the face. But I couldn't hear the counts at points. Louder and more consistent counting is needed.
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Post by stokesj on Nov 22, 2010 15:04:10 GMT -6
Yeah, that does suck. In that instance the ref needs to come out onto the court so people can visibly see that they need to stop. In the heat of the moment people won't really be hearing what's going on, they are going to be focused on hitting their target.
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Post by svcard27 on Nov 22, 2010 17:33:40 GMT -6
I agree there should have been more refs. I was on the court the whole game and didnt even realize that we didnt have line judges, or did we.. I dont know. I know there was a lot of confusion on both sides as to what was going on with the counters. A couple of times we(sv) was forced to throw 3 times before gv was forced to throw once. I think this is where those shot clocks would come in handy, and it might be something to revisit.. at least have the refs standing on the opposite side of the scorers table so they can see the timer. There was another shot clock instance when both sv and gv faulted on their clock at the same time, causing us to just restart the clocks and play on. this issue also might want to be visited. I also think that we(both teams) allowed bench and out players to be too close to the playing area and this didnt help things and can be fixed for next time.
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Post by IanChilds-MSU-C on Nov 22, 2010 19:28:02 GMT -6
Refs not knowing the shot clock rules is a little ridiculous. We've been stressing all year that refs need to be well versed in the rules. The shot clock is one of the most basic rules we have. I've never heard of starting at 5 lol.
The entire rulebook is posted on the forums. All players have access to it.
The tournament we ran had 6 refs in every game and it went pretty smoothly. I hardly heard any arguments coming from players, and almost all of the feedback I heard said that the reffing was some of the best the other teams had encountered. Counters stood by the jail areas so the players who were in jail could help yell the count in the event that the counter wasn't loud enough. I know I lost my voice the day after the tourney from yelling the count while I reffed.
Let's make sure we have competent refs from here on out guys.There really is no excuse. poor reffing will just cause bad blood and we don't need that.
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Post by Spencer Jardine - SVSU on Nov 22, 2010 19:58:28 GMT -6
Okay after reading everything posted on here, I do gotta say something. The reffing had 0 involvement in how the game played out. There where no blown calls in critical situations and BOTH side where honest in calling them selves out. Could the shot clock keeping been better? Yes. But I think both sides felt screwed by their respective shot clock keepers. Watch the film your self.
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Post by trippiedigv12 on Nov 22, 2010 20:29:58 GMT -6
Okay after reading everything posted on here, I do gotta say something. The reffing had 0 involvement in how the game played out. There where no blown calls in critical situations and BOTH side where honest in calling them selves out. Could the shot clock keeping been better? Yes. But I think both sides felt screwed by their respective shot clock keepers. Watch the film your self. The end of any point, by definition, is a critical situation Spencer. Would have simply been 1-1, and SVSU made it 2 for 2 in the second half. What'eves. We were beaten by a better team. I can admit that.
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