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Post by jordanelliott on Feb 15, 2011 9:49:36 GMT -6
so much hate lol.
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Post by Spencer Jardine - SVSU on Feb 15, 2011 13:52:51 GMT -6
Nice to see everyone kiss and made up in time for Valentines day.
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Post by calannin on Feb 15, 2011 16:16:25 GMT -6
Real quick before class.
Thank you Stein for supporting me in reffing, truth is we all heard that myself and Stein "either intentionally threw the game for GV or it was the worst reffing ever" via Bomis/McCarthy. Grow up guys, sorry we were called to ref a game between two good teams and I made some calls you don't agree with, if you don't like it, get your stuff together and hire real refs, until then, blow me, those calls are gonna be made one way or another.
I love how Bryce can come up to me in the middle of a match and get in my face, and talk a bunch of gibberish. Any other head ref would have hit you with a red card, which I should have but you already said I threw the game, its not worth listening to you cry and make excuses about because if I had, it would have gone "He kicked out Bryce, our best player so we would lose." Thank you Jim for diffusing the situation. Bryce, you still are a complete d*** three years later, let the game be played, show a little respect for a ref/someone trying to help out. This isn't the first time you have been a douche during a game to me while reffing.
It's not fun or easy for anyone to ref the games, we know this, it was really close, but how can you call us out saying we threw it then go to OT with State and watch GV beat State 5-1? It's obvious that GV is the better team.
Yes we had a poor showing (as usual at MDC), it happens.
If it comes to me reffing again, I will ref just like I always have, for like 3 years now, like it or not, I make my calls and stick to my calls, nothing I can do either way. It's the NBA ladies, no one is making money off these games. I have no reason to call the game one way or another, you are playing eachother, not us.
Next time, I would appreciate it if you would man up and ask me like a mature adult what I saw or why I called what I called, but until then, enjoy crying on the forums that you lost and make whatever excuse you want and call me every name in the book. You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.
Have a wonderful week, see everyone soon.
You guys are ridiculous,
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Feb 15, 2011 17:10:42 GMT -6
So GVSU beat both CMU and SVSU 2-1. I really don't think I would call that rape, but everyone has their own opinions, and you are entitled to yours. Also, you say you don't care, yet you come on here and constantly talk about it and bring stuff back up. If you didn't care you wouldn't say a word. On another note, it's funny that you say that no one tried to throw in the game against CMU. I watched the video that I took and you threw the ball roughly between 5-10 times in 50 minutes. I consider that not throwing personally. Just out of curiosity though, was there a lot going on in the GVSU vs. CMU game and the GVSU vs. SVSU game? Because those were lower scoring games than the CMU vs. SVSU game. [glow=red,2,300]And about the whole reffing situation. No one had a problem with Carter except for one instance where is probably would have been a better call for someone else to make. People had a problem with the calls that you were making, and most of them were in GVSU's favor. I'm not saying that the outcome of the game would have been different, but it would have been a lot closer.[/glow]
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Post by hiller 87 on Feb 15, 2011 17:24:33 GMT -6
It's not fun or easy for anyone to ref the games, we know this, it was really close, but how can you call us out saying we threw it then go to OT with State and watch GV beat State 5-1? It's obvious that GV is the better team. I normally don't get involved in these, but CMU has also beaten GVSU this year. And GVSU only beat you guys 2-1 right? And CMU beat you 4-0? So you could go the other way too. I'd say both teams are about equal personally, with CMU being a little bit better at catching and GVSU being a little bit better at throwing. Also, I personally don't think that you guys threw the game one way or the other, I'm just pointing out a flaw in your argument.
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Post by calannin on Feb 15, 2011 21:28:58 GMT -6
And about the whole reffing situation. No one had a problem with Carter except for one instance where is probably would have been a better call for someone else to make. People had a problem with the calls that you were making, and most of them were in GVSU's favor. I'm not saying that the outcome of the game would have been different, but it would have been a lot closer. I called what I saw. I don't like to think I make calls one way or another but a number of calls went in either teams favor if you want to put it that way. GVSU was no doubt more gracious about the way they accepted the calls. I had several instances with CMU players talking back and what not. If I had the cards at the time, 11 and 00 both would have gotten a yellow, 00 a red. People are always going to have a problem with calls refs make, look at Mickey Redmond, all he does is b**** about calls (haha) but he's not reffing the game, he's paid to talk and those ref's are paid to ref, I'm just trying to help, you want some kid who doesn't understand the rules and has no spine, we can get BG to ref all of our games for a small fee (chill, only kidding...sort of. still a little bitter about nationals haha)...If you are referring to Bryce getting hit in the hands/feet, I wasn't the only ref who saw it happen, I was one of three, and if you are saying Stein was in better position to make the call, he said he didn't see the play, which is one of the few he missed. A lot closer? I don't think it gets much closer than a one point game, but who knows? Look, I know everyone gets angry with SVSU because of the way we play/act/talk/murder each other in the inner city (which we absolutely do better than any other school/city, thank you very much). Over the last year and a half, I have tried sooooo hard to change the way I approach things, ask Ian or Stokes, i don't know them that well but I try to spark up a civil conversation and a smile every now and then outside of the game. I used to complain and BS the whole game and after and what not, but now when the game is over, 99% of people get a "good game man, good luck". The other one percent can burn in Hell. I'm still gonna talk some trash every now and then...okay, a lot, but its just the game, thats how I play it, I don't really hope "you all die of old age." It's just trash talk, keep that in mind. Again, that being said, stupid is as stupid does, and have a great week, to each of you the best of luck.
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Post by peters27 on Feb 15, 2011 22:51:48 GMT -6
i hope everyone dies of old age.. isnt that the standard way to go? :3
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Post by stokesj on Feb 15, 2011 23:07:16 GMT -6
Even thinking about someone mentioning the SVSU reffs throwing the game in our favor absolutely infuriates me. For once this year I felt like my guys came together and actually played as a team, so simply the idea that we didn't win the game fair and square is plain insulting. Can't we just say "Great game guys, it was fun!" and move on with life? Thanks for cheapening the win guys.
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Post by stokesj on Feb 15, 2011 23:22:31 GMT -6
On a lighter note, this was said by my asistant (this forum won't let me spell that correctly without thinking I'm trying to say a**) captain about myself and Bryce from CMU. "It's really hilarious watching you and Bryce stare each other down from just random spots on the court. You always have your feet set to throw at one another. It's like the F***ing cold war out there."
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Post by sweeter9 on Feb 15, 2011 23:59:57 GMT -6
From what i have seen, no active CMU dodgeball player has said anything of the sorts. GVSU definitely deserved the win that day. You out strategized us, out caught us, out threw us, and all around out played us. By the way, where the hell did #4 come from. That kid has one hell of an arm.
Complaining is going to happen in any sport, especially on close calls. I am sorry if any non captain complained calls, Pat and i try to emphasize that if you have a problem, go to a captain and they will do the complaining for you. Remember that the Captains are the only ones who should be speaking to the officials, (correct me if i am wrong) so i find it hard to believe that you would give a captain a yellow/red card for questioning a call respectively. I do believe that any call i did question was in a respectable manner and i am sorry if it came off otherwise. Heat of the moment, adrenaline gets going and i may get a little aggressive sometimes. Forgive me, i will work on it.
All said and done, it the GVSUs name that is going on that trophy (once again) no matter what is said on this often pointless forum. I just want you to remember whose name is right above yours ;D. I have to give GVSU credit for accepting defeat last year so graciously. It seems like many of us have a hard time being gracious losers. I for one sometimes. At least i can come clean about it, unlike many people.
GVSU, we are looking forward to playing you in a few weeks and hope to exact some revenge so expect one hell of a game. Stokes, hopefully this time you dont completely annihilate Mazur like you did when you came here last time. I wish we had a good video of it.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Feb 16, 2011 0:54:54 GMT -6
Sweet what do you mean where did he come from? Don't you remember Stevenson blasting Coartney in the face last year at Nationals form like 5 feet away. Coartney's lip was bleeding and his eyes were alomst swollen shut from that hit.
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Post by stokesj on Feb 16, 2011 0:59:31 GMT -6
Oh my lord I felt so so so bad from that. I sat him the rest of the game lol
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Feb 16, 2011 1:02:15 GMT -6
Yeah, I was reffing and I was gonna give Stevenson a card, but at the same time Coartney tried to either catch it or dive it, not sure which anymore. So it was a legit throw, but he just BLASTED him.
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Post by Jack Attack on Feb 16, 2011 1:35:54 GMT -6
I called what I saw. I don't like to think I make calls one way or another but a number of calls went in either teams favor if you want to put it that way. GVSU was no doubt more gracious about the way they accepted the calls. I had several instances with CMU players talking back and what not. If I had the cards at the time, 11 and 00 both would have gotten a yellow, 00 a red... you want some kid who doesn't understand the rules and has no spine, we can get BG to ref all of our games for a small fee (chill, only kidding...sort of. still a little bitter about nationals haha). ... Look, I know everyone gets angry with SVSU because of the way we play/act/talk/murder each other in the inner city (which we absolutely do better than any other school/city, thank you very much). Over the last year and a half, I have tried sooooo hard to change the way I approach things, ask Ian or Stokes, i don't know them that well but I try to spark up a civil conversation and a smile every now and then outside of the game. I used to complain and BS the whole game and after and what not, but now when the game is over, 99% of people get a "good game man, good luck". The other one percent can burn in Hell. Carter; I'm not sure if I've actually met you in person before, but I understand the frustration. Reffing can be a huge pain, this we can all agree on. This is an extremely difficult sport to officiate, and the grudges between teams and players combined with the heated nature of the game only compound the issue. With that being said, I feel like we had gotten beyond the inane smack talk and shots at other teams and players in this and future threads. The game itself and the officiating of the game can be aggravating, this much is abundantly obvious. But issues such games being thrown by referees and grudges between teams that border on being detrimental to the league as a whole need to start being shored up and avoided in the future. There is no doubt in my mind that a large percentage of the frustration exhibited by you and many others towards current officiating problems is due to bad blood between teams and players, specifically the Michigan teams. Don't get me wrong, we've all come a long way in all cooperating, communicating and socializing with each other, but there are still issues, and both what you (Carter, that is) are saying and what you are aggravated about really highlights this, I think. My point in this long winded remark is this; I believe that if teams, players and those who officiate work to have a better understanding of one another and try to approach the match cohesively from the same mind frame that a lot of these issues regarding poor officiating or close calls would be solved rather quickly. I'm not asking you all to be friends and buy each other a pint on Tuesdays. What I am suggesting is that everyone from the most silent person on any given team to the Jason Stein's of our league to the best officials should attempt to operate from the standpoint that this is sport that we all love and all want to play in it's fairest state. If a common mind-frame could be adopted by the majority, there's a really good chance that less bickering would occur over officiating issues and grudges between teams that create problems for the league would start to die down to some degree. Again, let me reiterate that I'm not trying to suggest that you all buddy up with each other. That's unrealistic. There are a number of people from the league's past and even present who I don't enjoy and would rather not associate with, and this is coming from a guy who attempts to see the good in everyone to a fault. This is a problem that can be solved by fostering more respect and trust between one another. Other leagues, conferences and sports often don't have to worry about these sorts of things, because a) they aren't in the ongoing process of creating a rulebook for a sport that shouldn't even have one and b) they don't have to worry about their peers officiating them over and over again. There are countless ways we can continue to foster more respect and trust to eradicate this stuff I'm talking about, but I'll leave that up to you guys if you smell what I'm stepping in. What you (again, Carter) said at the end of your post is something that I like to see, just like how Jason apologizing earlier and Josh coming in and threadjacking this thing like a saint cheered me. I don't think I'm being controversial or biased when I say that the SV team is disliked by many, but those sort of measures to concede go a long way in mending your guys approval by league players and teams. This is the sort of thing I like to see. For instance, last year during our game against WKU there was a scuffle between players from each side. Although the main DePaul aggressor failed to apologize and admit fault (which all of you who know me can imagine I was rather pissed off about after the fact), the aggressor from WKU's side and Capt. Jazzy came up to me (acting as both ouraggressor and team captain) and we apologized to each other for the issue, and expressed regret that it could have damaged the game, and future relations between each team. That's that kind of respect and trust I'm talking about that can go a long way in fixing a myriad of issues that the league has. Anyway, this is getting epic in length, but I was surprising myself in the clarity that I'm currently conveying my thoughts in so I continued on (especially considering the extremely long day I've had and the ache of getting my half sleeve finished this afternoon). So, I digress. I love you all. Goodnight.
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Post by ihateboomis on Feb 16, 2011 1:53:39 GMT -6
I agree ELE is in full action from now on
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