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Post by Spencer Jardine - SVSU on Feb 18, 2013 18:38:44 GMT -6
Can we please for the love of god fix the trap rule?
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Post by cg on Feb 18, 2013 19:38:07 GMT -6
Can we please for the love of god fix the trap rule? You, uh, might wanna explain what "fixing it" means.
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Post by Zigmister on Feb 18, 2013 19:52:58 GMT -6
Come on dude, elaborate... [edit: somebody beat me to it]
I know specifically that rule 3.4.1.2.3 has to be reworded slightly. As written, it can be construed in this example: a teammate is holding a ball between their legs and catches a ball cleanly without it coming visibly close to the possessed ball, the team ball-trap-catch doesn't count.
This is counter intuitive to the spirit of the rule, and how a direct throw trap has been logically called. If the trap catch is a visibly and in-arguably clean catch, it should be a catch.
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Post by vanerme3 on Feb 18, 2013 19:53:42 GMT -6
I believe by "fix" Spencer means "disambigu-ify" the thing.
And yes, I have the proper authority to make up words.
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Post by Dylan Fettig on Feb 18, 2013 22:37:26 GMT -6
You cannot make a catch with another ball in your possession. I think that is easy enough?
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Post by vanerme3 on Feb 19, 2013 10:28:04 GMT -6
But that isn't the case. If a player has a ball in his right hand and reaches out and snags one with his left hand, and the balls clearly don't come close to touching, that's a catch.
If a ball bounces off a players chest and is corralled by using the ball, depending on the timing of it, it is normally ruled a trap.
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Post by kentuckybrown on Feb 19, 2013 12:08:15 GMT -6
I think that the current idea of ruling it a trap is to prevent players and refs from bickering about what a "clean" catch is. Perhaps the wording "Clear and discernible" might help out those who want the rule changed. Or you can say that if you have a ball in your possession and catch it, then it is a trap.
Something that isn't brought up too often is team traps...no one goes out and no one comes in, right?
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Post by WKU-Perrone-76 on Feb 19, 2013 12:26:26 GMT -6
What if it were worded to say: If a ball is held in one extremity and an opponents ball is caught using a different extremity without the aid or contact of the other ball, it is a catch.
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Post by Phelps 2 on Feb 20, 2013 9:56:04 GMT -6
This rule has caused a number of arguments and headaches this season and I personally like how Felix put it. As long as the ball being held originally does not aid in the catch of a second ball, the catch is legitimate.
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Post by cg on Feb 20, 2013 10:56:42 GMT -6
This rule has caused a number of arguments and headaches this season and I personally like how Felix put it. As long as the ball being held originally does not aid in the catch of a second ball, the catch is legitimate. Speaking for the officials, if this comes to pass teams need to recognize there will be judgment calls made that they disagree with. So long as everyone goes in with eyes wide open is all.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Feb 20, 2013 17:52:02 GMT -6
^^^^^ What he said! lol
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Post by Dylan Fettig on Feb 20, 2013 18:40:35 GMT -6
Something that isn't brought up too often is team traps...no one goes out and no one comes in, right? 3.4.1.2.3 Team Ball Trap Catch - If a Teammate catches a ricocheted ball while in possession of another ball, instead of cleanly catching and securing the ricocheted ball, the ricocheted ball is deemed a trap. Said ball is dead and the original Target is out. The Teammate remains live.
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Post by Dylan Fettig on Feb 20, 2013 18:41:41 GMT -6
Also, is the current rule book not the one on the website? Because the trap rule right now says you cannot make a catch while holding a ball.
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Post by heroofvcu on Feb 20, 2013 20:24:37 GMT -6
Okay. This is something that my team had an issue with as well. In other dodgeball leagues that I have play in, if you catch a ball with another ball in your hand without allowing the other ball to touch it, it was deemed as a catch. If the ball hit yours ball before you make the catch, it is deemed as a trap. Or like how Mike from MSU and Felix from WKU said it... along those lines.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Feb 20, 2013 23:14:06 GMT -6
Alright, if I remember this correctly this is what we agreed on last time we talked about it.
If a player has a ball and makes a catch and the thrown ball clearly does not touch the other ball then it is considered a catch, the player that threw the ball is out and the player that caught the ball gets a teammate in. However, if the player catches the thrown ball in a simultaneous motion using the ball they already had in their possession it is considered a trap and no one goes out or comes in.
Regarding the team trap rule. If a teammate uses their ball to make a team catch then the player who was initially hit is out and the player who caught the ball remains in.
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