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Post by svcard27 on Nov 8, 2010 12:53:29 GMT -6
hahaha yes.. I guess it pays to be forgettable. btw, back to the topic. maybe now would be a good time to get something written up for the nationals meeting. seeing as im not a captain, i cannot present something and i know we cannot install anything new until nationals anyways, but this might be something worth talking about now.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Nov 8, 2010 13:02:46 GMT -6
I thought that was how we were doing Nationals this year. Was by number of points each team has? So shouldn't this go into effect this year.
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Post by IanChilds-MSU-C on Nov 8, 2010 14:12:14 GMT -6
yes, I made a new topic. Dont worry CMU, its not directed at you this time. haha I cant speak for everyone else, but as of last night we had our 2nd confirmed "back out" of the season. First it was BG for a various amount of reasons and now its EMU(because they got invited to the MSU invite, thanks Ian...) Im not going to call either team out, although I dont think this reflects well for either team, but I was just wondering if there was ever any thought as to punishing teams for backing out? The hosting teams get shafted while the backing out team doesnt really get anything more then a slap on the wrist or a forfeit(sometimes this doesnt even happen). Am I just blowing this out of proportion or are other teams having this trouble? see, i can take the high road for an entire post I repeatedly said I'd defer to EMU. I did not go to EMU and say drop the SVSU game. In fact when I emailed their captains I made it clear that I was aware they had a game scheduled with you the next day and I didn't want to mess that up. I can provide the emails if you'd like to read the conversations. I had absolutely no intention of messing things up for SVSU. And as far as EMU has told me they are planning to do both events.
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Post by svcard27 on Nov 8, 2010 14:38:54 GMT -6
Ian. relax. i said it tongue and cheek.
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Post by svcard27 on Nov 8, 2010 14:46:25 GMT -6
I thought that was how we were doing Nationals this year. Was by number of points each team has? So shouldn't this go into effect this year. completely agree, but we here in the ncda arent exactly pro-active in the rules department. I dont know what thought process went into play when coming up with the nationals qualifying but Im wondering what the ruling bodies would have to say on the topic... que Bomis?
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Post by Zigmister on Nov 8, 2010 17:11:05 GMT -6
I'm writing a NCDA Policy Book to complement the reorganized rules i've done. It won't have anything too special, but it'll show how nationals is run for this year, point system, etc. How nationals was being done was deliberated on at the Captains meeting for Nationals 2010, and taken home and refined by Bomis, Felix, and Raymer. This has already been put forth in the Nationals 2011 thread, posted a day after Nationals 2010 ended... Entry to Nationals is dictated by: - Host School gets a bid
- Last year's Nationals, 1st-4th place finish
- 1st place finishers of a few tournaments throughout the year: Kentucky Invite, MDC, Ohio Invite, etc
- 1st place standing after the season (2 points for a win, 1 point for an overtime loss, 0 points for a loss)
- Open entry (something like 2 weeks prior April 9th, first come first serve)
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Nov 8, 2010 17:20:40 GMT -6
I heard it was top 4 from last year got a bid. What happened to that?
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Post by Zigmister on Nov 8, 2010 17:26:13 GMT -6
I heard it was top 4 from last year got a bid. What happened to that? Top four is correct, my bad, didn't look into the thread to double check. Trying to get ready for dball tonight.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Nov 8, 2010 17:27:19 GMT -6
Ok, as long as we still got out spot. haha I was like ummm when did that change? lol
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Post by svcard27 on Nov 8, 2010 17:46:08 GMT -6
I'm writing a NCDA Policy Book to complement the reorganized rules i've done. It won't have anything too special, but it'll show how nationals is run for this year, point system, etc. How nationals was being done was deliberated on at the Captains meeting for Nationals 2010, and taken home and refined by Bomis, Felix, and Raymer. This has already been put forth in the Nationals 2011 thread, posted a day after Nationals 2010 ended... Entry to Nationals is dictated by: - Host School gets a bid
- Last year's Nationals 1st Place finish
- 1st place finishers of a few tournaments throughout the year: Kentucky Invite, MDC, Ohio Invite, etc
- 1st place standing after the season (2 points for a win, 1 point for an overtime loss, 0 points for a loss)
- Open entry (something like 2 weeks prior April 9th, first come first serve)
Thanks for the clarification, but this still doesnt reflect the issue at hand. obviously with points being critical to getting into nationals(1st place team) what punishment should backing out teams suffer? clearly this could become an issue the rest of the season. Yes, we kinda got screwed out of a match with BG, but im more concerned with what will happen down the road. i think the general population of this board thinks there should be a punishment, so lets come up with one.
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Post by WKU-Perrone-76 on Nov 8, 2010 17:46:39 GMT -6
This was from an email conversation between Raymer, Bomis, and myself a few months back.
March 1: Priority Registration period begins – The following teams may register Host school Top 4 teams from last year’s April Tournament Leader of the NCDA standings on 3/1/11 Winners of the three major in-season tournaments (Michgian Dodgeball Cup, OH tourney, KY tourney)
March 15: Open Entry period begins – all teams may register regardless of season record/games played
16th registration form + fee received: Registration period closed
Pools are set based on point total (2 for W, 1 for OT) as of 4/1/11
If we did this, we’re guaranteed a minimum of 7 at-large spots, possibly more if a team fits multiple characteristics (e.g. CMU goes on a rampage next year, tops the standings and wins the Michigan Dodgeball Cup in addition to being a top 4 team from last year). Meanwhile we’ve got a neutral rule that gives the more dedicated teams a bit of safety in assuring them they won’t be excluded.
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Post by Zigmister on Nov 8, 2010 18:46:41 GMT -6
Thanks for the clarification, but this still doesnt reflect the issue at hand. obviously with points being critical to getting into nationals(1st place team) what punishment should backing out teams suffer? clearly this could become an issue the rest of the season. Yes, we kinda got screwed out of a match with BG, but im more concerned with what will happen down the road. i think the general population of this board thinks there should be a punishment, so lets come up with one. My first post in the thread gave a solution to the original point of the thread: or B. Any cancellation outside of ten days from the event counts as a Forfeit (0 Points) for the Canceling team and a Forfeit Win (1 point) is awarded to every other team participating in the event, unless waived by all of the participating teams. If the forfeited position is filled by another legitimate team within ten days and the start of the event, no points are awarded, no forfeit is given, and play proceeds as normal.
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Post by Stein 1 on Nov 9, 2010 1:29:25 GMT -6
Soooo we are 1-0 ?
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Nov 9, 2010 1:35:31 GMT -6
I really don't think anyones record should be changed due to someone dropping out. However, I do believe that the team that does drop out should be penalized and charged 1 or 2 points for dropping out.
It doesn't seem right to have a team rewarded for having a team drop out on them, but rather punish the team for dropping out.
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Post by svcard27 on Nov 9, 2010 15:28:43 GMT -6
mike. i would tend to agree with you on that with the exception of people saying that they would have won anyways. trust me, i know its a petty argument but it would get used. And a team backing out is the same as them quitting in the middle of the game, its a forfeit. whatever the reason, its a forfeit. keeping things simple and without room for a middle ground saves people from arguing.
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