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Post by svcard27 on Nov 7, 2010 22:36:21 GMT -6
yes, I made a new topic. Dont worry CMU, its not directed at you this time. haha I cant speak for everyone else, but as of last night we had our 2nd confirmed "back out" of the season. First it was BG for a various amount of reasons and now its EMU(because they got invited to the MSU invite, thanks Ian...) Im not going to call either team out, although I dont think this reflects well for either team, but I was just wondering if there was ever any thought as to punishing teams for backing out? The hosting teams get shafted while the backing out team doesnt really get anything more then a slap on the wrist or a forfeit(sometimes this doesnt even happen). Am I just blowing this out of proportion or are other teams having this trouble? see, i can take the high road for an entire post
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Post by bgballer on Nov 7, 2010 22:46:58 GMT -6
I completely agree with chris, I know that we backed out (as he said for various reasons). But, there needs to be punishment for teams that do this its not fair (especially with the new system for nationals, that takes into account team records). A team that has had multiple cancellations against them obviously plays less games, which could in the end mean less wins, which means that team might not make the national tournament. In the end I think a canceled game should go in the record books as a forfeit, A loss for the canceling team, and a win for the other team. Just my opinion. Danny Yuzva BG President
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Post by Dugans-20-EMU-C on Nov 7, 2010 23:42:34 GMT -6
did Kris tell you we wer not showing up? As far as i knew several guys from the team want to play on both Sat and Sun. We may not be at 100% on Sunday but as far as i know we still have guys willing to go...
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Post by Zigmister on Nov 7, 2010 23:49:08 GMT -6
A. Any cancellation outside of ten days from the event counts as a Forfeit (0 Points) for the Canceling team and a Win (2 points) is awarded to every other team participating in the event, unless waived by all of the participating teams. If the forfeited position is filled by another legitimate team within ten days and the start of the event, no points are awarded, no forfeit is given, and play proceeds as normal.
or B. Any cancellation outside of ten days from the event counts as a Forfeit (0 Points) for the Canceling team and a Forfeit Win (1 point) is awarded to every other team participating in the event, unless waived by all of the participating teams. If the forfeited position is filled by another legitimate team within ten days and the start of the event, no points are awarded, no forfeit is given, and play proceeds as normal.
I'd go with B. I'd say 2 points for the teams participating is a little harsh when some schools can't or don't have the funding to travel, and one point is a good middle ground.
Also, I thought about taking away points: A loss doesn't penalize, it counts the same as not participating in the first place. So why penalize a team that forfeits? They are choosing not to participate. You could end up getting teams not committing until ten days prior to an event, then schools like DePaul and UK and Nebraska would never be able to get funding for their travels because no one wants to risk a forfeit and loss of one point, as measly as that one point is.
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Post by Dugans-20-EMU-C on Nov 7, 2010 23:57:32 GMT -6
The issue is very simple. EMU needs the in game experience, an the MSU invite guarentees us 3 games on Saturday. Now as i said i'm under the understanding our players were planning to do both. I know several guys who can' make saturday, and then several other guys who can't make sunday so we can alternate between those 2 and those of us who can give it a go both days will do so. I will bring it up at practice tomorrow, but as of now unless Kris has told you otherwise im under the impression we still plan on playing... Hell i'll show up alone if i have to, I can never get enough dodgeball LOL!!
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Post by svcard27 on Nov 7, 2010 23:57:53 GMT -6
did Kris tell you we wer not showing up? As far as i knew several guys from the team want to play on both Sat and Sun. We may not be at 100% on Sunday but as far as i know we still have guys willing to go... our captain got a text from your captain saying you werent coming. its hearsay as you can tell, but i think the sources are good ones...
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Post by svcard27 on Nov 7, 2010 23:59:50 GMT -6
Dugans.. id love to hear that i am wrong about the EMU thing. plz let us know as soon as you know so that we can keep our gym time. thanks again.
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Post by Dugans-20-EMU-C on Nov 8, 2010 0:09:33 GMT -6
u may have gotten a text from our president, but we re voted on captains, and that is actually myself...
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Post by Dugans-20-EMU-C on Nov 8, 2010 0:12:43 GMT -6
which our president has the ultimate say, im simple stating i never sent a text to anybody on your team lol...
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Post by WKU-Perrone-76 on Nov 8, 2010 0:13:58 GMT -6
We backed out of the MSU tournament because when I took the original head count back in late September I had 20 guys saying they'd like to go. Then last week when I asked at practice I had 8 guys raise their hands, I ended up guilting more guys to come, but it was still only 13. To drive 8 hours, spend money I didn't have, and bring 4 of our worse players with us to an inevitable slaughter-fest just didn't seem fair to my team or to the other teams because we couldn't give them the competition that WKU would like to represent.
I do feel like their should be a penalty for dropouts, but I do believe their should be a cut-off for how much time you should give in advance. I think we should put it in the rule book that if you don't give at least a ten day notice of pulling out (no time for sexual jokes) the games should count against your record as a loss. Just a thought.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Nov 8, 2010 0:30:16 GMT -6
I really don't think teams should be penalized for not showing if they have a legit reason. They can always reschedule for another time...
Also, if a team backs out of a tournament and someone fills their spot, regardless of when they fill it, it should not count as a forfeit, loss, or win for anyone. If a team backs out of a tournament and does not get a replacement that team should be charged some of their points for a win/tie.
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Post by svcard27 on Nov 8, 2010 12:30:19 GMT -6
Mike.. so lets say that you have a game scheduled with another school and because its a big game and you want fan fair you advertise all over campus that you have a game. how stupid would you look if everyone showed up to that game and there wasnt a game to be had? your team and yourself instantly lose credibility and potential fans(potential recruits too). Not to mention the money you had to put up to get the gym time, or the butt chewing you could get if you cancel your gym time and it couldnt be filled because ppl were already turned down. i guess you'll have to let me know what a legit reason is, but that seems to me to be a slippery slope. if a non negotiable penalty was installed it would be easier to enforce. No arguments about what is considered legit and non legit and we could move on.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Nov 8, 2010 12:44:16 GMT -6
Chris, I totally understand that. I was not thinking about all the stuff the teams like SVSU and GVSU have. No one else that I know of has a fan base like you two. So considering all of that stuff is a different story. So I could understand a penalty under those circumstances. All I know is, we will be there December 4th. I promise. lol
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Post by svcard27 on Nov 8, 2010 12:49:35 GMT -6
And. I. Cant. Wait. your team still hate me?
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Nov 8, 2010 12:51:46 GMT -6
No, just Stein. hahahahahahahaha
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