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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Nov 30, 2010 15:28:43 GMT -6
I think it is more your hand that is clenched rather than your arm. Your hand should be holding the ball and your arm should be relaxed.
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Post by WKU-Perrone-76 on Nov 30, 2010 16:15:11 GMT -6
I know it sounds strange; but I do two-minute handstands, wide-grip pull-ups, and inverted push-ups when my arm hurts after practice or after a game and that seems to help me. I don't know why but it does.
In high school I was a goalie in soccer and when we did a goalie throw, which is essentially a straight armed 8o'clock-4o'clock throwing motion, it wouldn't hurt my arm since the soccer ball was heavy and most of the momentum was was in the tip or your fingers and the ball. When I do the same throw with a dodgeball it seems like most of the momentum is in the wrist or lower forearm since the ball isn't as heavy and for some reason it KILLS the shoulder. Before I learned the grippy that's how I would throw and I was limited to only a couple throws a game since my shoulder would die haha.
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Post by Spencer Jardine - SVSU on Nov 30, 2010 17:04:11 GMT -6
I know it sounds strange; but I do two-minute handstands, wide-grip pull-ups, and inverted push-ups when my arm hurts after practice or after a game and that seems to help me. I don't know why but it does. In high school I was a goalie in soccer and when we did a goalie throw, which is essentially a straight armed 8o'clock-4o'clock throwing motion, it wouldn't hurt my arm since the soccer ball was heavy and most of the momentum was was in the tip or your fingers and the ball. When I do the same throw with a dodgeball it seems like most of the momentum is in the wrist or lower forearm since the ball isn't as heavy and for some reason it KILLS the shoulder. Before I learned the grippy that's how I would throw and I was limited to only a couple throws a game since my shoulder would die haha. Im with Felix on this one, after 3 years or throwing my arms are starting to feel old. They where getting fatigued and tired after just one half of dodgeball. So I tried to find a way to combat this. Last year I found out working out the arms before a dodgeball match really helps them warm up. Dumbbell flys, push ups, pull ups, any kind of bench press. Just get the arms warmed up. Worked for me
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Post by IanChilds-MSU-C on Nov 30, 2010 22:34:19 GMT -6
We usually devote practice time at the beginning of the year to teaching our new guys various throwing techniques.
When I started grip throwing (my second year in the league) it completely destroyed my arm. Yeah I added way more power, but it hurt on a level that I'd never felt (in my arm). It got to the point where I stopped throwing at some practices and just worked on other stuff. I literally couldn't lift my arm straight up over my head without extreme pain. It was because my arm couldn't handle the stress. I'm a side arm thrower usually, but I have no problem throwing over the head, and the violent motion totally wrecked my elbow and right shoulder. I started working out. Not just arms or shoulders, but my whole body. As Bill said, legs, back, and core are just as important if not more important than arms if you want to have a strong throw (not to mention timing an mechanics). After gaining a fair amount of strength and learning to tame my throwing motion without losing too much power I haven't had the problems anymore. If anything my fingers hurt from gripping too long, but that's usually after 2-3 full games.
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Post by BigBird on Nov 30, 2010 23:03:56 GMT -6
I think it is more your hand that is clenched rather than your arm. Your hand should be holding the ball and your arm should be relaxed. This is true to a certain extent but whenever you close your hand to grippy you use your muscles in your arm especially if the ball you are trying to grip is tougher.
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Post by x502xedgex on Nov 30, 2010 23:35:51 GMT -6
Alot of people think that if you want to throw hard you need to work out your arms. That's not the case fully though working out the muscles around your shoulder helps alot. And also legs and torso are essential. All this info is helping. Keep it up guys
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Post by stokesj on Dec 1, 2010 7:43:20 GMT -6
haha yeah Kfitz i know how you feel. Never played baseball, I was a track kinda guy. So whenever a guy asks, "So how do you throw it so it's fast?" My reply is, "I pretend I'm pissed at the person I'm throwing at for two seconds, try to punish them, and then that's it."
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Post by stokesj on Dec 1, 2010 8:56:37 GMT -6
I don't know why but I always feel weird when someone says "grippy throw." It's the Gorilla Grip people! That's what it was called when OSU created/figured it out. So that's how I'll forever call it. Plus it sounds more awesome than grippy. Grippy sounds like guppy, not intimidating at all whereas gorilla sounds beastly. Gorilla grip > grippy throw. Jus' sayin.
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Post by stokesj on Dec 1, 2010 10:22:40 GMT -6
oh reeeeeally? i always thought osu called it that since kelvin or zimm or someone that was around from that day said osu coined the term gorilla grip. Maybe the term came about because the first person that ever used it was that kid from OSU that was just HUGE so he looked like a gorilla.
But I still think gorilla grip sounds cooler, there's no arguing that point.
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Post by KFitz on Dec 1, 2010 11:37:43 GMT -6
I know it sounds strange; but I do two-minute handstands, wide-grip pull-ups, and inverted push-ups when my arm hurts after practice or after a game and that seems to help me. I don't know why but it does. In high school I was a goalie in soccer and when we did a goalie throw, which is essentially a straight armed 8o'clock-4o'clock throwing motion, it wouldn't hurt my arm since the soccer ball was heavy and most of the momentum was was in the tip or your fingers and the ball. When I do the same throw with a dodgeball it seems like most of the momentum is in the wrist or lower forearm since the ball isn't as heavy and for some reason it KILLS the shoulder. Before I learned the grippy that's how I would throw and I was limited to only a couple throws a game since my shoulder would die haha. Im with Felix on this one, after 3 years or throwing my arms are starting to feel old. They where getting fatigued and tired after just one half of dodgeball. So I tried to find a way to combat this. Last year I found out working out the arms before a dodgeball match really helps them warm up. Dumbbell flys, push ups, pull ups, any kind of bench press. Just get the arms warmed up. Worked for me Wait a second. . . . .you mean to tell me that at other schools dodgeball players work out?! This blows my mind.
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Post by BigBird on Dec 1, 2010 12:36:55 GMT -6
Grippy just feels easier to say than gorilla grip. 2 syllables vs. 4. Maybe I'm Lazy?
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Post by stokesj on Dec 1, 2010 14:39:07 GMT -6
Go'ril'la. Three syllables. lols.
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Post by KFitz on Dec 1, 2010 15:28:00 GMT -6
I've always called it pinching. Not as cool as Gorilla Grip, but better than grippy.
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Post by BigBird on Dec 1, 2010 15:36:59 GMT -6
Go'ril'la. Three syllables. lols. I was thinking 4 for Gorilla Grip not just Gorilla.
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Post by IanChilds-MSU-C on Dec 1, 2010 15:42:20 GMT -6
I don't like calling it pinching because that's what the annoying people from the NDL and NADA call it whenever they complain about us dominating their tournaments.
Funniest thing ever, after my first throw a kid screams "YOU'RE PINCHING! YOU CAN'T DO THAT!" *looks at ref* "HE CAN'T DO THAT!"
So naturally I stand next to the ref next time I throw and clearly I am not "pinching". Kid starts complaining again, and ref tells him to quit it. Then I get to play the ass hole card and I tell him to be thankful I'm not "pinching" because if he's that worried about my baseball throw he'd crap himself if he saw a grip.
I'm really not an a-hole, but I very much enjoying being a jerk to that kid.
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