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Post by sweeter9 on Feb 13, 2011 23:38:43 GMT -6
Is a ball dead if it pops in air or as it is being thrown? I didnt see any rule on it when i scanned through the rule book.
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Post by Zigmister on Feb 14, 2011 0:08:08 GMT -6
by rule a thrown ball is dead once it hits any other surface of the environment.
it would be unfeasible to rule it dead as it pops in the air.
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Post by sweeter9 on Feb 14, 2011 0:20:24 GMT -6
Well, i guess i didnt mean pops in the air but where it pops as the player is throwing it. The ball continues on its normal path. This is more of what i meant. If a player was throwing a ball and it popped as it was leaving his hand and another player catches it, would the thrower be out? I feel like if the ball was lofted in the air for an easy catch, the thrower would complain that it popped and it shouldnt count.
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Post by Zigmister on Feb 14, 2011 0:31:18 GMT -6
Well, i guess i didnt mean pops in the air but where it pops as the player is throwing it. The ball continues on its normal path. This is more of what i meant. If a player was throwing a ball and it popped as it was leaving his hand and another player catches it, would the thrower be out? I feel like if the ball was lofted in the air for an easy catch, the thrower would complain that it popped and it shouldnt count. That situation would be way to hard to call consistently, to actively watch a ball to see if it popped on the throw. So i would say keep the closest interpretation possible and the popped ball is still live, and catchable. Ya it would suck if that happened to you as a thower, but its like a 1% chance that is going to happen. And technically could be prevented if people put less strain on the ball; by not twisting in and depressing and then gripping the ball.
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Post by sweeter9 on Feb 14, 2011 0:52:35 GMT -6
Actaully, i think it happened quite a bit this weekend. Not where a person was hit by a popped ball but where a ball popped during a throw. The time it happened to me was a catchable ball but obviously at that point, it wasnt a ball but more of a chunk of rubber. The thrower, official, and i were unsure of what the call would be. We just played it as if it were live and replaced a ball on the sideline where i was hit.
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Post by Zigmister on Feb 14, 2011 7:31:31 GMT -6
according to the shot clock rule there should be a minimum of 400 throws per match for both teams. at the CDO we lost about 8 balls over the day and 10 matches were played - so minimum 4000 throws but i'd estimate it was closer to 10,000 throws
Doesn't seem like we need a rule for the instance, but I'll add it to the Casebook.
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Post by stokesj on Feb 14, 2011 9:35:57 GMT -6
I feel like the majority of the balls that were popped were ours... *mega sadface*
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Post by fishercmu23 on Feb 14, 2011 12:02:58 GMT -6
We popped almost all our yellow balls.... so sad
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Post by sweeter9 on Feb 14, 2011 13:16:20 GMT -6
Zig, i think this would come down to honesty. If i break a ball mid throw, then i would just request to have the new ball replaced near me and have the old one become dead upon the throw.
The yellow balls wont be missed. I hated throwing those
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Post by trippiedigv12 on Feb 15, 2011 15:32:07 GMT -6
according to the shot clock rule there should be a minimum of 400 throws per match for both teams. at the CDO we lost about 8 balls over the day and 10 matches were played - so minimum 4000 throws but i'd estimate it was closer to 10,000 throws Doesn't seem like we need a rule for the instance, but I'll add it to the Casebook. I've charted throws for an entire match, and in practice, the team that attacks more tends to be around 350-380 total throws in a match, and the team that waits back more with the ball disadvantage usually ends up between 250-300. All this really tells us is that the shot clock isn't perfectly administered, which shouldn't surprise anyone.
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Post by jumskater (Caleb James) on Feb 22, 2011 15:28:08 GMT -6
Yeah, that was my throw I think. Truthfully didn't know when the ball popped. I had no idea what the rule was/should have been. I would have been completely fine if you had stayed in. lol. It should definitely be put in the rulebook though. Just because something doesn't happen often doesn't mean that it shouldn't be in the rulebook. Jump balls in bball don't happen that often (granted, more often than a popped ball hitting a player) and there is a rule for them. My two cents, I think a popped ball should be dead. It is sometimes too difficult to tell when it pops, so I think no matter what happens, a popped ball should be dead.
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Post by Zigmister on Mar 11, 2011 21:45:54 GMT -6
I added a section to gameplay - 3.4.8 Defective Equipment: Includes timer malfunctions, popped balls, general equipment failure
3.4.8 Defective Equipment
3.4.8.1 Timer Malfunction - Should the Clock or a Shot Clock Timepiece become inoperative at any time during gameplay, play will immediately stop and both Captains shall be notified by the Head Referee. The inoperable timing device shall be replaced before play continues. [Moved from 4.1.2.6]
NEW 3.4.8.2 Popped Balls - A popped ball immediately becomes a dead ball from the moment it popped, regardless of its position in the environment. Play should be stopped as soon as possible, and the ball replaced appropriately. 3.4.8.2.1 Popped When Blocking - If a Target is using a blocking ball and the blocking ball pops as a result of a thrown ball, the Block is valid and the Popped Ball is considered dead. The Popped Ball should be replaced and placed on the sideline nearest to the Blocking Target. 3.4.8.2.2 Popped After Throwing - If a Thrower makes a Direct Throw and that ball is popped at any point during the Throw, the Popped Ball is considered dead. The Ball should be replaced on the sideline nearest to where the Ball was popped. 3.4.8.2.3 Referee's Discretion - The Head Referee has the final say as to the moment the Ball was popped, or if a Ball is sufficiently deflated to be considered unusable.
3.4.8.3 General Equipment Failure - If any equipment or apparatus fails and prevents continuation of play, the Official shall whistle and a Stoppage of Play shall be called. The apparatus shall be removed or the equipment replaced before play is resumed.
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