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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Oct 26, 2012 1:03:51 GMT -6
When I mentioned fair and legitimate, I mean in this instance. What the player did was inexcusable and should have been dismissed from the game, however he wasn't even given a card. The captains of our team decided to bench him the following point, which ended up being the last point played. The referees needed to stand up in this case, but they didn't. We took matters into our own hands and planned to bench him for the remainder of the game if it was to be played out. We figured that it would be best to not have him in the game in case the situation escalated, and to maintain player safety. This whole mess was the refs fault. If they had done their job we wouldnt be talkin about this. I'm happy to hear that you guys took it seriously and put him on the bench. However, it should also be dealt with by the referees. The player in question should have been given a red card and sitting out more than one game. Also the team in question should forfeit that game. This is obviously what I think personally and does not reflect what the entire league thinks. Secondly, it is NEVER the refs fault for someone who physically tries to harm someone on the opposing team outside of the boundaries of our sport. The players in this league should show some self control and not go after another team regardless of what is being said. You can ask Stien, the biggest nuts talker in the league, he gives the most grief to teams out of anyone but people still keep their composure and not try to kick his ass through fighting. I don't think we need to hear anything about it being the refs fault. They might not have shut someone up but that does not give anyone the right to throw a punch...
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Post by vanerme3 on Oct 26, 2012 9:40:34 GMT -6
It's the ref's fault for not giving out a harsh enough punishment for a player who was immature enough to throw a punch. That is the only fault the ref has in this situation. It is 100% the fault of the player who threw a punch that this situation even happened in a first place. Seriously, act like an adult. I understand people get heated, but in the end, what does throwing a punch accomplish? Like McCarthy said, Stein would talk all sorts of trash on the court, and make other teams mad like crazy, but always shook hands in line after the game.
I would also like to point out how ridiculous this situation is now that we're making Stein the pillar of sportsmanship (no offense Jason). But he at least understood where to stop for the most part.
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Post by Spencer Jardine - SVSU on Oct 26, 2012 17:56:22 GMT -6
I would also like to point out how ridiculous this situation is now that we're making Stein the pillar of sportsmanship (no offense Jason). But he at least understood where to stop for the most part. I know its mind blowing haha
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Post by knucklepuck on Oct 29, 2012 15:23:05 GMT -6
a lot of this seems to boil down to the fact that refs need to be enforcing certain calls with cards when it is appropriate. it seems for a lot of the cases, not just this one, that either the refs aren't aware of their ability to card players but are also either afraid or unwilling to do so. as was said before, there is never an excuse or a reason to have a jv team being the head or assistant head ref in a game, they simply do not have enough experience to do the job and arguable dont have at this point in the season the ability to do the shot clock either. i also feel that the player in question should not have been simply benched for one game, if anything he should have been removed from playing in the rest of that tournament and also possibly a few future tournaments.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Oct 31, 2012 12:00:10 GMT -6
I agree the refs don't do enough when it comes to enforcing things, but when it comes to throwing punches it is all on the person throwing the punches. Show some self control and some respect to the rest of the league. We don't go out and bash your name and make you look bad so don't do that to the rest of us. This is easily the biggest family I have and I don't want anyone trying to tarnish this name, and I'm sure that goes for about 1,000 other people (current and former players) in this league.
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Post by jmuplaya on Oct 31, 2012 14:22:04 GMT -6
If you agree with us that the refs should have done a better job then why are we still talking? If uk has a problem with it they should be the ones talking.
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Post by vanerme3 on Oct 31, 2012 19:24:44 GMT -6
Pretty sure the whole point of the last couple of posts was that while refs should have thrown out the person who threw a punch, the larger problem is the person who was dumb enough to throw a punch in the first place. That point has been made several times. The player should have done a better job of keeping their cool.
And the reason we're all talking about this is we're forming a governing body within the league to prevent this sort of behavior in the future. It isn't only UK who has a problem with it. I have a problem with people throwing punches. I'm sure most other people who have posted on this thread who have a problem with it. I'm curious where any other misunderstandings are...
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Oct 31, 2012 22:00:22 GMT -6
Thanks Mike, that is exactly the point I was trying to get across. We all know the refs didn't do anything. The point I was trying to make is that the problem is that individual player. Everyone else was able to keep their cool except for that individual. If we make a governing body something must and most likely will be done about incidents such as this.
So we are clear jumplaya, I love your team! I don't know if you were at this last Nationals but I reffed a bunch of your games and I was extremely impressed with the bunch. I am just trying to make sure that this does not happen again!
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Post by kentuckybrown on Nov 2, 2012 7:39:03 GMT -6
jmuplaya, I am sorry if this post upsets you. I attempted to not specifically call out any players names or specify which schools in my opening post. UK did not endorse the behavior which was being exhibited on the court and I thought it the wisest decision to pull my team off of the court, call the game and start this post. Those actions are UK's response as we thought it best not to specifically start a "he said"-"she said" discussion.
Expanding on Sam's earlier post regarding a governing body(council), I was looking at the NCDA Map (which is awesome!) and was thinking that we could have a representative from certain areas or states fairly easily. Possibly have 6-7 representatives with each one representing 4 schools. This would make selecting "districts" or areas fairly easy. Michigan and Ohio both have at least 4 active schools. Then a handful have 2-3.
I think it would be neat if we could compile a database of all the players that participate in the NCDA every year and each school could submit their roster to the representative before each game who could enter the info into a database on the website somewhere. This would also be a great chance for that representative to take up the writing of some previews for the schools in their areas so that Sam and Zig don't have to do all of it. These are just some thoughts feel free to add, tear down(then rebuild), or redirect!
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Post by cg on Nov 2, 2012 9:08:44 GMT -6
Given that there's serious discussion about this, I'm going to go against my judgment and start working on drafting docs for the non-profit before getting paid. Teams can expect an email in about a week.
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Post by Zigmister on Nov 2, 2012 14:13:19 GMT -6
Expanding on Sam's earlier post regarding a governing body(council), I was looking at the NCDA Map (which is awesome!) and was thinking that we could have a representative from certain areas or states fairly easily. Possibly have 6-7 representatives with each one representing 4 schools. This would make selecting "districts" or areas fairly easy. Michigan and Ohio both have at least 4 active schools. Then a handful have 2-3. I've always thought the idea was interesting. I've always held the idea that the Regions we use are meant to group schools that play together often. That they are adaptable. so for Nationals, regions could be better defined in order to provide teams with new opponents to play in Saturday seeding. I think it would be neat if we could compile a database of all the players that participate in the NCDA every year and each school could submit their roster to the representative before each game who could enter the info into a database on the website somewhere. The problem that i immediately see with this is our rules pertaining to a 20 player roster. For a program like Ultimate, which has like 7 player teams and requires each player to register with USAultimate... well that's just easier to manage, especially with a paid staff. 25 member teams with a 20 player roster = 500 players. There is very likely more players, as rosters can be different for each game. If it took one minute to input data, that'd be 8 hours 20 min worth. Each rep would take 1 hour 20 just imputing the data. That rough estimate also doesn't say anything about the time required in tracking down this data. Or the system that needs to be coded or refined to handle it.
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Post by vanerme3 on Jan 10, 2013 14:21:48 GMT -6
This thread has gone a while without any new posts, so I figured I'd inquire.
Is this still something people are interested in? If so, should we do an email vote? Should we decide who would be on a governing board at Nationals? Just curious if anybody else has given this further consideration.
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Post by kentuckybrown on Jan 10, 2013 15:39:43 GMT -6
I doubt anything will be formed before Nationals. I was planning on bringing it up at Nationals if no one said anything on here. There should definitely be something in my opinion tho.
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