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Post by Stein 1 on Nov 22, 2010 17:04:02 GMT -6
We have been told that you can't play if you do not attend the school... At svsu we think it is best to only check student ID's but also check the schools student directory... I believe it is best because anyone can get a student ID even if you don't attend the school anymore.
I have been looking up names at schools like central and have found most of them actually attend the schools but one or a few do not... Especially I have found that one "great" player i would say is not on the student directory or the Alumni directory....
Is the school directory a place that is reliable to see if a student goes to a school? This should be used as basis to see if a player is eligible in my opinion... What does everyone think? and yes this is semi calling people out if it is true haha
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Post by svcard27 on Nov 22, 2010 17:20:30 GMT -6
In a non bias opinion, I think it would be a good idea for the league to have every student prove the validity of their enrollment to the ncda. why not? what do we have to lose? I would like to remind everyone that stein speaks for himself... ahaha, love ya stein
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Post by hiller 87 on Nov 22, 2010 17:24:45 GMT -6
In a non bias opinion, I think it would be a good idea for the league to have every student prove the validity of their enrollment to the ncda. why not? what do we have to lose? I would like to remind everyone that stein speaks for himself... ahaha, love ya stein how exactly are you supposed to prove the validity of your enrollment? student IDs obviously wont work, because people can graduate and still have their ID. as bomis said, you cant just go through the directory. the only way i could see it working would be if everyone printed off their schedule, but that'd be such a waste of time and paper. we dont have a big organization behind us like the NCAA, i feel like we should just use the honor system and if a player isnt eligible, the team in hand shouldnt play them.
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Post by Zigmister on Nov 22, 2010 17:37:26 GMT -6
Student ID's and maybe a State ID is completely reasonable.
And yes, bring back the honour of dodgeball. We already are supposed to have it in the game. If your hit, be cool and go to the jail... don't wait for the Official to catch you.
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Post by svcard27 on Nov 22, 2010 17:48:29 GMT -6
yes, agreed that this is how it should be handled but lets be honest here, we have people in this league that dont play by the rules. we have all seen it with our own eyes, whether the other team agrees or not. yes, i think providing a class schedule and valid student ID would be the best and easiest way of doing this. How hard is it to print off ONE sheet of paper, collect it as a team and send them into the league commissioner(yes bomis, paper work for you)... When a new player is added to the team roster, their information should be sent is as well. If their verified information isnt present, they dont play. How is this not being exalted as an idea? we talk of having a legit league and yet we still have the potential for illegit players. come on people. is this really that hard?
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Post by Josh Raymer on Nov 22, 2010 18:45:56 GMT -6
I'd have to agree that sending Bomis a copy of each player's schedule would be the best way to keep ineligible students from playing. Mailing the schedules would be fine, but if teams didn't want to mess with stamps and whatnot, you could simply do a screenshot of everyone's schedule and then paste/insert them into a word document. When all the images have been inserted, simply email the document to Bomis. That way, you save time, money and our poor commissioner doesn't have to sort through 300+ pieces of paper.
For those unfamiliar with screenshots (or print screens), it's just a picture taken by your computer of what's on your screen. So if everyone pulled up their schedule online, taking a screenshot would show exactly what a printed sheet would, just minus the paper and ink.
For PCs, it's as easy as hitting the button labeled "Prnt Scrn." Then you open Microsoft Word and hit paste, and SHAZAAM...there's your screenshot.
For Macs, hold down Apple key ⌘ + Shift + 3 and release all. Click the screen and your image will appear as a file on your desktop. Insert it into your word document like you would any other picture.
This method wouldn't take near as long and would accomplish the same goal as mailing schedules. Thoughts?
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Post by WKU-Perrone-76 on Nov 22, 2010 18:58:32 GMT -6
I have said it on the podcast, for those who listen, but at Nationals this year each player will have to prove their enrollment at the school. We will be checking rosters and student IDs when teams check in the first day. I'm going to be a hard-ass about it this year, and I won't have a problem turning people away (ok I lied, it will be hard, but I'm going to do it to keep things fair). In the event a student forgets his identification, I will have my laptop with me and they will be required to log onto the schools class registration site and prove their enrollment.
Bomis, if you don't want another load of paperwork to handle, I would be happy to handle student schedules (if we choose to go that route).
In order to play in the WKU Preston Center, where nationals will be held, each school has to have 75% of the their roster sign a medical release form prior to the first day of nationals. This is WKU policy, not mine. They leave it at 75% because it's understood that things come up and rosters do change, the remaining 25% have to sign the sheet the day of.
I understand it's hard getting your players to do anything, but I think when each team sends me their signed medical release form prior to the tournament, they also include the class schedule of each individual player that will be coming to Nationals.
Is this unreasonable?
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Post by IanChilds-MSU-C on Nov 22, 2010 19:36:26 GMT -6
Sending Bomis paperwork is a little over the top. He's unpaid for this crap. I'm gonna say that 98-99% of our league attends their respective schools. Making more work for Bomis is unnecessary.
If the host school wants proof that a student attends a school then have the right to demand it. If your school hosts an event and wants a player on another team to show proof that they attend the school in question (beyond a student ID) then sure, ask the student to bring a printed class schedule and then have them show it to the captain/ team president from the host school, and problem solved.
Saves a lot of trees and a lot of hassle.
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Post by Stein 1 on Nov 22, 2010 19:41:58 GMT -6
"I'm not going mandate this?" is bomis god of this league now? I am in shock that he even still reads this crap haha.... anyways if you take yourself out of the directory then they should be required to bring a schedule of their classes to the game... This is my theory and I will talk to our captain and we will see what happen
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Post by Zigmister on Nov 22, 2010 20:21:34 GMT -6
If the host school wants proof that a student attends a school then have the right to demand it. If your school hosts an event and wants a player on another team to show proof that they attend the school in question (beyond a student ID) then sure, ask the student to bring a printed class schedule and then have them show it to the captain/ team president from the host school, and problem solved. Saves a lot of trees and a lot of hassle. Seconds The ID system is plenty for what the NCDA is right now. Having someone log into their online class schedule system is another level if there is any doubt, but it shouldn't really be demanded of all 20 players on the roster. Making people print out / or whatever will not further legitimize College Dodgeball. It's unnecessary until we have that magical 32 teams regularly competing, then maybe you can try to be more like the NCAA. Also, DePaul does not have a public student directory, and i'm sure many more schools follow this.
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Post by svcard27 on Nov 22, 2010 22:21:05 GMT -6
Yes, saving paper would be the ideal thing to do. Bomis, why is this just an svsu related thing? just because stein brought it up doesnt mean that it only effects our school. this is something that could be a benefit to our league. Zig, what's the point in getting all the magical 32 teams and then changing the rules to make them comply when it would be much easier to already have the rules in place? Simply providing a college ID is not enough to prove you are a student at any institution. I have already told Ian that i would give up my Christmas Break to deal with such paperwork. It's really not that hard of a concept. Each school provides a roster sheet with corresponding class schedules for each player. All you have to do is check off each player, very simple. Couple hours of work max. Im still failing to understand why this is such a controversial thing to everyone? This isnt violating someone's privacy, this is just a way to make sure each player is legit and each team is legit. What's the big deal about this? We've already stated that it's easy to have a college id and not attend classes and that school directories dont have all students; there are two loopholes right there. Please help me realize why this is such a bad idea? Please.
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Post by Stein 1 on Nov 22, 2010 22:46:05 GMT -6
I brought it up because someone or multiple people have informed me of a violation. Also such violation could have cost MSU a shot at the national championship last year... So not only does this effect our team, but also the entire league.. INCLUDING YOUR SCHOOL "BOOMIS".
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Post by woojumbo on Nov 22, 2010 22:49:31 GMT -6
So not only does this effect our team, but also the entire league.. INCLUDING YOUR SCHOOL "BOOMIS". If enforced this would legitimize the league even more.
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Post by svcard27 on Nov 22, 2010 23:25:40 GMT -6
t.j. i wrote that a couple times already if you would read all the posts...
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Post by woojumbo on Nov 22, 2010 23:29:47 GMT -6
Chris I know this, im just contributing to the thread and giving my opinion. More insight is better than none!
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