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Post by Spencer Jardine - SVSU on Nov 23, 2010 13:17:32 GMT -6
This is a little over the top. I have no problems with requiring ID checks at games, I am all for it. But the last thing I want to see this league fall into is a Salem style witch hunt. My opinion, require IDs, then if a team has any LEGITIMATE concerns that a player may be in valid ask that player to show proof of classes. (Legitimate as in someone seeing a players graduation pictures on Facebook, or having a friend tell them a certain player is no longer attending.) This whole asking every single player for a class schedule is over the top. Can IDs be forged? Hell yes they can. But if someone is going to go through the trouble of forging a college ID to freaking play DODGEBALL then they have problems outside of cheating.
Lets be honest, we are no where close to being legit in the next few years. We still have problems getting half brained refs to our games, let alone do TSA style background checks on every player that steps on the court. One problem at a time.
And for the love of god, if you dont go to school and you are playing for a team illegally. Get a f***ing life.
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Post by IanChilds-MSU-C on Nov 23, 2010 13:20:52 GMT -6
I think a school ID and a copy of each player on the roster's schedule is not too over the top, and is sufficient proof of enrollment. Another idea: As far as DePaul goes, we have a good relationship with our associate director of club sports so this would be easy for us. What if each team were required to turn in a roster of the players that are going to be attending the tournament to their Club Sports director, they would have to validate that the entire roster is enrolled through the student directory We actually already do this at MSU- when we travel. It's more for liability than anything though. We turn in a full traveling roster with first and last names and their student ID number to the IM Sports office. I don't know if I could get our director to make calls for us verifying attendance of all students though lol
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Post by Josh Raymer on Nov 23, 2010 14:50:28 GMT -6
This is a little over the top. I have no problems with requiring ID checks at games, I am all for it. But the last thing I want to see this league fall into is a Salem style witch hunt. My opinion, require IDs, then if a team has any LEGITIMATE concerns that a player may be in valid ask that player to show proof of classes. (Legitimate as in someone seeing a players graduation pictures on Facebook, or having a friend tell them a certain player is no longer attending.) This whole asking every single player for a class schedule is over the top. Can IDs be forged? Hell yes they can. But if someone is going to go through the trouble of forging a college ID to freaking play DODGEBALL then they have problems outside of cheating. Lets be honest, we are no where close to being legit in the next few years. We still have problems getting half brained refs to our games, let alone do TSA style background checks on every player that steps on the court. One problem at a time. And for the love of god, if you dont go to school and you are playing for a team illegally. Get a f**king life. Amen brother.
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Post by WKU-Perrone-76 on Nov 23, 2010 15:23:08 GMT -6
Hey guys, since I'm handling the National Tournament this year I am going to put an end to this issue right here and now, it's getting out of hand and everyone is getting a little too heated.
This is an official announcement and will be carried out, as stated, for the 2011 National Tournament. As the host school I reserve the right to do this.
I need a complete roster of 25 players for each team (the extra five is for those who may be replacing any last minute dropouts) by Monday April 4th 2011. I will then call each of the school's admissions offices and verify the enrollment of each student on the list. If it is found that a person on the list is NOT a student, they will not be allowed to play in the tournament. This roster can be included with the check and medical release forms that each team will be mailing to me, or can be sent to my email. The roster will need to include: Student ID number, and legal first and last name.
When the teams show up to check in on the first day of nationals, each student will be required to present their ID card and will be checked off the list. If there are suspicious players or players who are not on the approved roster, they will be asked to log onto their online student class registration site to prove their enrollment, as well as show a driver's license.
We've made this way more complicated than it needs to be, but everything above will be in place to the 2011 National Tournament to prevent any sort of controversy that we experienced last year. My advice to the teams now, if you have people playing that are not registered students, do not allow them to play or practice, this will only hurt you in the long run. There really shouldn't be any objections to this, it adds little extra work (except for me) and will be the best way to verify the student's enrollments.
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Post by Josh Raymer on Nov 23, 2010 16:06:56 GMT -6
Hey guys, since I'm handling the National Tournament this year I am going to put an end to this issue right here and now, it's getting out of hand and everyone is getting a little too heated. This is an official announcement and will be carried out, as stated, for the 2011 National Tournament. As the host school I reserve the right to do this. I need a complete roster of 25 players for each team (the extra five is for those who may be replacing any last minute dropouts) by Monday April 4th 2011. I will then call each of the school's admissions offices and verify the enrollment of each student on the list. If it is found that a person on the list is NOT a student, they will not be allowed to play in the tournament. This roster can be included with the check and medical release forms that each team will be mailing to me, or can be sent to my email. The roster will need to include: Student ID number, and legal first and last name. When the teams show up to check in on the first day of nationals, each student will be required to present their ID card and will be checked off the list. If there are suspicious players or players who are not on the approved roster, they will be asked to log onto their online student class registration site to prove their enrollment, as well as show a driver's license. We've made this way more complicated than it needs to be, but everything above will be in place to the 2011 National Tournament to prevent any sort of controversy that we experienced last year. My advice to the teams now, if you have people playing that are not registered students, do not allow them to play or practice, this will only hurt you in the long run. There really shouldn't be any objections to this, it adds little extra work (except for me) and will be the best way to verify the student's enrollments. Boom. That's how we get things done at WKU.
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Post by Spencer Jardine - SVSU on Nov 23, 2010 17:23:20 GMT -6
Thank you Felix, that is perfect.
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Post by jackattack on Nov 23, 2010 17:25:29 GMT -6
It was closed for a minute, cause Bomis sniped it, but Raymer... could you lock the thread?
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Post by jberryemu12 on Nov 23, 2010 17:57:59 GMT -6
WKU-Perrone-76. Quick question, how do you go about calling admission offices getting the ability to confirm someone is registered for classes. I mean don't get me wrong, I like the idea of presenting a id to confirm they are student. But calling the admission offices for confirmation that they are student. Are students allowed for the kind of personal information? As far as I'm aware I didn't think a student could another students information. All I'm doing is asking questions because I'm just confused on the situation so I can tell the other members of our team with the new rule and all.
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Post by stokesj on Nov 23, 2010 18:07:15 GMT -6
Felix, you might need to get in contact with your club sports advisor or someone that works for the school because I can see John's point.
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Post by WKU-Perrone-76 on Nov 23, 2010 22:08:55 GMT -6
That's a good point haha, I actually had planned to just discuss the situation with the admissions office and hopefully they would just be able to give me a simple "yes or no" answer as to the students enrollment. If that won't work, due to student privacy issuesm then I'll have the WKU sport club department contact each of the sports club, intramural, or student organizations departments of the other schools with the roster to get a confirmation. I really don't see there being too much of a problem since I'm not really asking more than a yes or no as to whether they are a student or not; especially if it's a public university (the private universities may have a more strict privacy policy). I'll start making phone calls to the other schools when classes start back on monday and see if this is going to be an issue. I'm glad you guys brought this to my attention now, instead of in April haha
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Post by Stein 1 on Nov 23, 2010 23:21:18 GMT -6
This is rediculous... i played varsity level sports as a freshman. Do you think other teams cried? No! My H.S. played other colleges. Again did we or they cry? No! You play whoever goes out on the field or court against you. If you are that worried about losing your priorities in life are messed up. I play dodgeball to have fun and stay active. I don't care if i'm playing the all star team of the world in dodgeball. If that is my opponent then that is who i have to play. If we have to go through a cavity search in order to play dodgeball then im done. Take your tampons out, grow a pair and quit crying... Beat whoever is put on the court and move on. God d**n! Yes but you played college kids and H.S kids who attending that school.. It is not about losing it is about being fair and yes I could definitely recruit outside players who are unreal at this sport and put them on our team.... EASYYYY as pie . Student directory is an easy thing to be on.. If you aren't on it then youre asking for your transcript to be requested. Thats it... No transcripts would be needed if you are on the student directory or have a copy of your schedule ( which everyone prints at least one out every semester, just carry it with you.) HOW HARD IS THAT.. IT IS PRETTY SIMPLE IN MY BOOK
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Post by Stein 1 on Nov 23, 2010 23:25:19 GMT -6
I am not only talking about nationals ether I am talking about december 4th or whenever we play both CMU and MSU.... P.S dugan's I donno which H.S you went to that you played varsity as a freshman that also played college teams haha but I know ill be aiming for you when you play us next . I'm with chris. It's onnnnnnn haha
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Post by Dugans-20-EMU-C on Nov 24, 2010 15:05:43 GMT -6
I have nothing against the SVSU guys or anybody on any team, and if you want to gun for me that's fine. Maybe i will sit those games out . As for my high school I went to Phillipsburg, NJ. A school that has f'ed up priorities in life. The school is falling apart and overrun with students, and they need to build a new one, but instead they sunk 3.5 million into the football stadium and facilities, over a million in banners and advertisements emphasizing that we are the winningest school in the state of New Jersey and the 3rd winningest in the US, and a little over a million into our new gym. It's whatever because i to was an athlete but they have like 120 trailers outside of the high school because the kids can't fit in the school so i think 5 million would have been better spent on a new school. (Many other people back home agree with me.) Anyway all I'm saying is some people seem to be taking it to the next level over winning and losing. Granted my hs never did anything right even if though we went 45-3 in my 4 years there, but that was completely different. We were contending for state and national championships... not club dodgeball LOL! At this point figure something easy out without giving yourself to much stress WKU because this is not something you should have to completely stress about...
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Post by sweeter9 on Nov 24, 2010 16:02:32 GMT -6
First if we are requesting for schedules, i would like to request an investigation on if all players are making academic progress towards their degree, especially a few unnamed players since they seem to have too much time on their hands. I would also like to investigate into any illegal transactions between agents and players. We will not have any Cam Newton like scandals in this league. While we are at it, i will be calling NCAA Drug Control so that all players are drug tested and cleared before play. Steroid testing will be done quarterly. Any player who does not fulfill these requirements will be severely reprimanded by the NCDA governing body. Suspensions and fines will be enforced. Checks are accepted for fines and should be made payable to Eric Louis Sweet.
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Post by IanChilds-MSU-C on Nov 24, 2010 16:11:29 GMT -6
nuts. You're testing for PED's now? I'm all natural, I swear!
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