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Post by WKU-Perrone-76 on Apr 24, 2011 9:04:31 GMT -6
Well that practice we did was kind of a joke anyway, there were only 8 people there and it was probably the laziest dodgeball I've ever seen lol It was so lack-luster and slow paced because everyone was tired and sore and really just didn't care. We'll be having one more practice before the end of the semester and we'll try all variations to see which we like the best.
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Post by cg on Apr 24, 2011 9:55:01 GMT -6
Going through the thread, this is a pretty one-sided conversation. However, there seems to be modest support for the rule as enacted when looking at the poll. I'd like to hear from those voting for "5-0-5 balls must go back to the baseline." Is it a matter of "that's what got decided at WKU and we're sticking with it come hell or high water" or is it something about the setup itself that's appealing?
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Apr 26, 2011 4:48:52 GMT -6
I think everyone realizes we made a mistake by making it 5-0-5 because for one it's pointless to run up to the neutral zone line and then all the way back to start the game because your almost never going to get someone out or advantage from this form of the opening rush. When you throw in the 3-4-3 where the balls would be live instantly, each team is going to get 3 balls almost automatically. Then once that occurs there would be a great battle for the other 4 balls along the center of the court. The way this 3-4-3 also gets rid of people running into each other is because you have a guy less than 30 feet away from you with a dodgeball and you are not going to run straight at him with no ball, trying to get one of the 4 along center court.
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Post by x502xedgex on Apr 26, 2011 7:38:23 GMT -6
mccarthy you need to make "dont mess with it" an option lol
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Post by ssrman on Apr 26, 2011 8:40:39 GMT -6
I would love to know who came up with this retarded idea.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Apr 26, 2011 9:31:53 GMT -6
Bill do you mean like back to the original opening rush???
And Seth, it's not a retarded idea. I didn't come up with it either. The purpose of changing the opening rush is to minimize the rate of injury. So what we are doing now is trying to figure out the best possible, and most fun way to change it. If you've got a better idea please let us know, we'd all love to hear it.
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Post by cg on Apr 26, 2011 11:20:12 GMT -6
The purpose of changing the opening rush is to minimize the rate of injury. So what we are doing now is trying to figure out the best possible, and most fun way to change it. I think there's an important distinction that needs to be made, since this is about the point someone says, "It's a contact sport, everyone takes risks by playing, so changing something because a couple people get hurt is unnecessary." There are two types of risks: Risks that are inherent to the activity, and artificial risks of our own making. For example, in football there is always a chance you'll get the stuffing knocked out of you, that you'll get a concussion, an ACL tear, whatever. However, there is also the rule that you can not rough the quarterback - no blindsiding him after he's uninvolved in the play. That's an activity that is not inherent to the concept of football and has been eliminated from the game. In dodgeball, getting hit by a playground ball is an inherent part of the sport. There is risk of injury from being blindsided by a throw or from the ball just traveling so fast it causes damage. However, we recognize and prevent injury in other situations. We have a neutral zone line that can keep opposing teams 30 feet away. If that were only 10 feet, players would get hurt and risk getting hurt unnecessarily for something that isn't inherent to the game. You could argue that the concept of an opening rush is inherent to the game, that having a struggle and possibility for variance in initial ball possession is fundamental to the concept. Having said that, I have yet to see anyone argue that 20 people running full speed at each other is fundamental to this game. It's usually along the lines of "that's how we've always done it" or "man up," two concepts that, while sounding great in political ads, don't make for a real discussion.
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Post by ssrman on Apr 26, 2011 12:03:22 GMT -6
No, McCarthy, it is a stupid idea. If you don't want to get injured by going after the ball, then maybe you should work on your speed so you can get to the ball before the other player does. This is a sport where you throw balls at people. People are already gonna get hurt. If you have a problem with how our forefathers played this game years ago and you want to change it just because you're a girl thingy, you shouldn't play this sport. The opening rush was used when I played in elementary school. The opening rush was used when I played in middle school. The opening rush was used when I played high school, and for you to change all of that is disrespectful, inhumane, and a crime to humanity.
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Post by willhack on Apr 26, 2011 12:42:58 GMT -6
If everyone decides to "work on your speed so you can get to the ball before the other player does," then the collisions at midcourt won't go away; they'll just happen faster and more dangerously.
I like the idea of a change. The current change seems undesirable, however. Which is why we are looking at a couple alternatives.
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Post by ssrman on Apr 26, 2011 12:44:49 GMT -6
I was at Nationals this year. I didn't see 1 person get injured because of the opening rush.
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Post by hiller 87 on Apr 26, 2011 12:54:17 GMT -6
I was at Nationals this year. Our very first point someone got injured on the opening rush.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Apr 26, 2011 13:04:15 GMT -6
Seth I think your missing the point to where I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU. 90% of the time I would run, I was going against the opposing teams fast player, and 90% of the time I got MORE THAN ONE BALL. If you don't believe me I'm sure there are people here that can vouch for me. I'll take an anyone in the league when it comes to being athletic and doing something physical, but since people decided to change it (WHICH I WAS FURIOUS ABOUT) then they are going to change it. So, with all that in mind, we are trying to find the best alternative to the original rush.
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Post by ssrman on Apr 26, 2011 13:58:37 GMT -6
Okay, but I'm saying whoever came up with this rule is a disgrace to Dodgeball and should know what he's getting into before he does it.
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Post by Spencer Jardine - SVSU on Apr 26, 2011 16:19:42 GMT -6
Okay, but I'm saying whoever came up with this rule is a disgrace to Dodgeball and should know what he's getting into before he does it. Then make sure your president votes for the new rule change. Yelling at us isn't going to change anything, you gotta convince your president and other presidents for the rule change.
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Post by ssrman on Apr 26, 2011 16:44:08 GMT -6
I already know I'm not going to impact any minds. But, I'm just saying.
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