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Post by hiller 87 on Apr 26, 2011 20:36:13 GMT -6
MSU prefers the 3-4-3 balls are live option.
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Post by mgonzo46 on Apr 26, 2011 21:37:16 GMT -6
Although I like the 3-4-3 idea better, tonight at practice majority voted towards 5-0-5 all live.
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Post by bigdix25 on Apr 27, 2011 9:59:06 GMT -6
So, pretty much this is all in favor of trying to make the sport safer with regards to the opening rush? I'm an advocate for the 0-10-0 opening rush, but I'm also for all teams having their guys at 100%. I feel that if balls are live instantaneously upon being touched, progress towards the balls at half-court would be fairly slow. Like Spencer said, nobody in their right mind would run up to the line to retrieve a ball when there is a cannon looking to take their head off from the get go. Taking the balls back in any of the opening rush formats listed above gives the "little man" a fighting chance of getting the balls at the half-court line.
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Post by peters27 on Apr 27, 2011 12:06:32 GMT -6
0-10-0 ftw
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Post by stokesj on Apr 28, 2011 14:53:13 GMT -6
I'd just like to say that I am the deviant mastermind behind this "heinous" change to dodgeball. Like many of you, I played dogeball all the way from elementary school to highschool as well as my 5 years here at Grand Valley. I'm sure I have done well over 5000 run ups in my dodgeball career and in all of those instances the times that someone got injured it was not because they were slow, not because the other person was evil, it was always a mistake. In the past we instituted the "no slide rule" with loose regulation. Even with strict regulation in place shoes get slick on the dodgeball court which results in a torn ACL. I've seen broken noses happen because both players accidentally lunged the same way. The past 2 years I've argued against the run up because ultimately it's a pointless risk. That's why I'm glad that we have finally changed it, yes I know it's not that adrenaline filled start like there was with the run up. That's why I also advocate for changing what was decided upon at the captain's meeting. There's nothing currently in the rulebook that states the rules have to be changed at the END of the year which is why we are currently having this discussion.
There are even more things you can do with something like this. Instead of having the 3-4-3, you automatically give 3 balls to each side with the 4 balls in the middle and it can be more of a battle instead of a race. This is the perfect time for teams to get creative, don't let McCarthy and myself come up with all of the ideas here. The change is ultimately for you guys that are still playing, while McCarthy and myself are old men who are past their dodgeball prime.
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Post by cg on Apr 28, 2011 15:22:53 GMT -6
There are even more things you can do with something like this. Instead of having the 3-4-3, you automatically give 3 balls to each side with the 4 balls in the middle and it can be more of a battle instead of a race. This is the perfect time for teams to get creative, don't let McCarthy and myself come up with all of the ideas here. The change is ultimately for you guys that are still playing, while McCarthy and myself are old men who are past their dodgeball prime. If you guys are past your prime, then I've got one foot in the grave! The bold idea sounds really intriguing. Who gets those three balls becomes a strategic decision with a ton of variation. Do you send defensive guys? Cannons? Sprinters? Some combination? How many other guys will you send after the four dodgeballs in the middle? Sure you could get hit, but there are only three opponents with balls and a few teammates can back you up. What I like most is that it doesn't penalize any particular style of play; it encourages teammates to work together, whatever their style of play may be (even the "confuse the hell out of people" playbook DePaul has mastered)As for the "man up" crowd, I would say there's less of an adrenaline rush in the current setup when you know you're not going to get hit on the advance. A University of Kentucky player beats you to get a dodgeball, whoop de doo. Now try running headlong at their 76mph cannon. 1) Faster and stronger teams will generally prevail as before. 2) An added emphasis is placed on teamwork as opposed to raw ability. 3) The first few seconds of each point isn't a foregone conclusion and is more like, y'know, the play that takes up 98% of the game. 4) The "massive wall of humanity" problem is eliminated. Bottom line: I'm digging the 3-0-4-0-3 over 0-3-4-3-0. Either way, though, there seems to be a lot of upside to this new distribution.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Apr 28, 2011 15:43:29 GMT -6
Jimmy needs to modify something by the way. He may be past his dodgeball prime, but I'm ready and willing to take on anyone in the whole league! ;D Haha just kidding Jimmy.
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Post by bigdix25 on Apr 28, 2011 19:21:15 GMT -6
Bring it on McCarthy. Young gun vs Old Cannon lol
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Post by Zigmister on Apr 28, 2011 20:11:15 GMT -6
I will be calling an official vote soon, by contacting the individual captains for their team's vote. I will send out a mass email tonight to notify everyone of the possible permutations and the discussion that's going on.
The Vote will be a preferential system, meaning each team ranks their votes (1 being their most preferred, 5 being lesser preferred, and so on.)
The following are the possible but logical permutations.
Placement Legend: Baseline - Attack Line - Halfcourt - Attack Line - Baseline
Balls Live When Tagged at the Baseline (Current Activation Rule)
0-0-10-0-0 (Season 2011) 0-5-0-5-0 (Nationals 2011 Captains' Meeting Change) 0-3-4-3-0 0-4-2-4-0
Balls Live On Opening Whistle
0-0-10-0-0 (For statistical purposes) 0-5-0-5-0 0-3-4-3-0 0-4-2-4-0 3-0-4-0-3 4-0-2-0-4 5-0-0-0-5
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Apr 28, 2011 20:15:24 GMT -6
Troy, you are assuming I'm old. hahaha I'm only 21. I don't know about you, but I don't consider that old at all!
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Post by bigdix25 on Apr 29, 2011 22:29:11 GMT -6
Haha naw you're still young man. I just wanted to see how you would respond if I threw an old man crack at you. It's just a shame that we can't play in the NCDA longer than 4 tourneys. I'm only 19 and I feel as though my time is fastly nearing its end.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Apr 30, 2011 0:51:49 GMT -6
What do you mean you can only play in 4 tourneys? Hahaha There is no way that's a rule. I'll be back though, don't you worry about that. hahahaha
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Post by Zigmister on Apr 30, 2011 2:45:04 GMT -6
DePaul likes to consider a player can only play in four NCDA nationals no matter their current status as student... ya there's no NCDA rule on that
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Post by bigdix25 on Apr 30, 2011 16:49:22 GMT -6
Dammit Ziggy!!! U didn't really make that clear to me when I asked you. Well.....I just plan to play as long as possible then
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Post by Spencer Jardine - SVSU on Apr 30, 2011 18:41:40 GMT -6
So clearly the rule of 5-0-5 we have in place is not going to stand. And from what I can tell the 3-4-3 balls are live instantly has been the one with most support and votes. So what do we need to do to make that the rule?
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