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Post by hiller 87 on Sept 16, 2011 21:41:44 GMT -6
I'm against changing mid-season, I don't think it's right to change a rule as important as the opening rush mid-season. I think we should just keep the rule until the Captain's Meeting at Nationals in April, whether for good or for bad, and then vote on it then.
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Post by KFitz on Sept 16, 2011 23:51:23 GMT -6
I agree with that in principal. But i disagree only because that means we could be playing with rules we don't enjoy as much for 1/4 of a students college dodgeball career. it's a short window and i think we should make the most of that time. But again. i haven't tried the new rush, but i don't think it's my preference either.
Also if spell check keeps telling me dodgeball isn't a word i'm going to go crazy
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Sept 18, 2011 22:58:16 GMT -6
I agree with Kyle on that idea. However for some of the very few who played over the summer when we did this rule, it was horrible. People were just running right through the front 3 balls and just getting lit up on in the middle. It's more chaotic than the original rule of 0-10-0.
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Post by bgdodgeball4 on Sept 19, 2011 12:13:44 GMT -6
When we voted the first time, we really didn't have any experience with it so we were voting based on safety concerns. Now that we've had some experience with it, I think most teams are going to realize if they haven't already that it's not the best way to do things both safety and enjoyment wise.
I don't think a re-vote would be a bad idea, but I think it would have to be done before the season starts so all regular season games are played with the same rules. Just limit the voting to these rushes: 3-0-4-0-3 Live 0-3-4-3-0 Live 0-4-2-4-0 Bring Back 0-5-0-5-0 Live or Bring Back
Covers all of the top results from the first vote plus adds in another option that had some support in this thread. I think we have a few weeks until the season starts giving teams practice time to test out these and then vote. Make voting due by Tuesday of next week or something so we can use it at Saginaw on the 1st.
I think I really like the sound of 3-0-4-0-3 Live. Gets the action started right away and it seems like it would be safe because I don't think you're going to see teams running to get the middle balls at the risk of getting out early.
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Post by bgdodgeball4 on Sept 19, 2011 12:15:44 GMT -6
If teams don't feel like there should be a change, they can just vote 0-3-4-3-0 back in until the end of the season. I don't think a re-vote hurts anything.
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Post by ihateboomis on Sept 21, 2011 0:01:57 GMT -6
This is going to be taken wrong but I have played in many games and a lot of you know I love to stir up a little commotion. Well I can't imagine what some of the games would have turned into between SVSU and GVSU if we had played with these rules when the rivalry was at its peak.
There were times when SVSU was down 3-0 where I know I would've ran up and grabbed a ball and just absolutely threw it as hard as I could at someone after grabbing a ball from the first row not caring if I got out after I smoked someone in a 3-0 game. Granted things have calmed down since that once great rivalry, but I know things get heated and I am one to cause a lot of that.
Someone if going to get hurt and I believe with the limited injuries with the last opening rush, that we should just go back to it.
This is my fifth year playing. Thats a lot of games. Want to know how many injuries I saw on the opening rush counting all of our practices?
If I count correctly it is probably under 8. This includes slide tackle injuries and all of those things people frown upon. Sure every now and then someone pushed another but I won't count that.
I have seen two head injuries one needing to get stitches and about 5 or 6 injuries from people getting plowed that I can't remember being serious.
2 practices a week for 4 years along with countless games and I have seen that few injuries. I know there have been some severe injuries that I am sure I haven't heard about and warranted this being brought up. I just liked it the old way and if we change the opening rush why don't we eliminate head shots too ( I get hit in the face a lot haha and GVSU has given me two concussions and we all know how dangerous those can be according to the NFL)
If we change the opening rush for causing injuries then it would only be necessary to eliminate head shots and I know we don't want to do that.
KEEP IT THE SAMEEEEEE haha
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Post by ihateboomis on Sept 21, 2011 0:03:01 GMT -6
Ps I would risk 4 people and I know CMU would to get a 7-3 ball advantage to start the game with the throwers we have. in a 3-0-4-0-3
I also think we have to change it ASAP before we have huge games like CMU SVSU and all the other important games this year. MSU comes to SVSU oct 1 ( THAT IS SOON). Because the regular season matter now and I don't want to lose a game because of these new rules or have another team lose because one team has a better strategy for this rule that could be eliminated in Jan( In my opinion if put to a vote with people who have tried it I guarantee it would be voted against.).
Just my thoughts.
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Post by Dylan Fettig on Sept 24, 2011 22:02:07 GMT -6
I think that if there is a re-vote that the original run up should be included in the vote as well. And also (not that I want to admit it ) I agree with some points that Stein makes. With the way the run up is now, and especially the 3-0-4-0-3, if someone is really angry and is not worried about getting out they could grab a ball, run at the other team like a crazy person and wreck someone from the other team from point blank. This has already happened in one of our practices and the guy had a bruise all the way from his forearm up to the side of his neck, he's just lucky he blocked it with his arm instead of getting the shot straight to his face.
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Post by stokesj on Sept 27, 2011 21:46:47 GMT -6
You know you're able to get a red card for something like that in a game right?
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Post by stokesj on Sept 27, 2011 21:59:37 GMT -6
But I'd also like to take a moment to compare the type of injuries from a thrown ball and a head to head collision. A ball will only bruise you, a head to heat collision will result in broken noses, concussions, stitches. This rule was originally brought up over safety issues, if you guys think the current run up is still too dangerous then I would suggest altering it. I know the run up can be a very exciting thing, but in the long run the run up doesn't currently shift advantage in game play. The run up is a simply more entertaining way to start points than by a coinflip or just giving 5 balls to each team (neither of which I'd be against seeing happen).
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Post by Zigmister on Sept 28, 2011 0:57:15 GMT -6
You know you're able to get a red card for something like that in a game right? When officiating, carding hardcore is exactly how i will handle point blank 65+ mph throws off the Rush... at least a Yellow but it depends on the situation. Unless of course the rule gets changed which lessens the chances. and good point on the injury comparison. In 12 years DePaul Dodgeball has only had 1 serious head injury by a thrown dodgeball. Plenty of bruises most likely, but just that one concussion.
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Post by knguyen1024 on Sept 28, 2011 8:29:44 GMT -6
wait so are we having a revote?
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Sept 28, 2011 9:16:29 GMT -6
We need to have a revote. No one really likes the new opening rush...
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Post by bgdodgeball4 on Sept 28, 2011 12:14:01 GMT -6
If we're going to revote can we do it before Saturday? That way BG/SV/MSU can be played under the new vote.
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Post by hiller 87 on Sept 28, 2011 14:46:56 GMT -6
We need to have a revote. No one really likes the new opening rush... ....I love the new opening rush. Just kidding. But seriously, I don't think we're going to be able to revote in time for this weekend's games. We're just going to have to make do with what we've got for now. If we're going to do this though I'd say we do this now before the BGSU tournament so that only a handful of games are affected. And I agree with Dylan, the original opening rush should be included as well since I think that's what my team would want us to vote for, or at least that's the impression I'm getting from them.
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