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Post by Zigmister on Sept 28, 2011 15:54:38 GMT -6
I came on here, at first, to announce an email vote. After thinking about it, we should with 95% certainty have a revote but i couldn't decide when: - I'd say we either try to squeeze in a vote before this weekend, with the deadline being Friday Sept 30 at 8:00pm. This isn't as hard as you think.
- or start the voting on Sunday/Monday after, giving MSU/BG/SV/UK/UofL/Miami the chance to give their input on their experience in playing the opening rush.
Only 5 matches will be played by October 2nd; last season had around 105 matches and it is likely there will be more play this season. I believe 5% is a pretty reliable stat to go by, especially taking into account the aforementioned 1/4 of college career. Or the usual 1/4. um, the vote would be the same instant runoff as before, and the options would be (in the order of last vote's outcome): Live 0-3-4-3-0 Bring Back 0-4-2-4-0 Bring Back 0-5-0-5-0 Live 0-5-0-5-0 Live 3-0-4-0-3 Bring Back 0-5-0-5-0
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Post by WKU-Perrone-76 on Sept 28, 2011 16:47:37 GMT -6
I like the new opening rush, it's exciting. I think we should keep it in place until Nationals 2012, like we agreed on when we changed the rule. I'll use the same argument everyone else used when they were trying to defend the original 0-0-10-0-0 rush. "If you are afraid of getting hurt, don't rush."
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Sept 29, 2011 9:47:36 GMT -6
WHEN we have a revote, the old rush (0-10-0) needs to be back in the voting. To many people don't like the new rush and want to go back to the old.
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Post by ryanmenn on Sept 29, 2011 17:08:00 GMT -6
How did the rush go for UK and Louisville??? Also I think if we are going to revote I would really like to hear an input from BGSU/SVSU/MSU. I know it will be odd changing the rule after these matchs have played and may seem a little unfair but I can't honsetly say if the new rush works or not, untill Kent has played an offical game. Practicing is one thing but playing in a game is different. Right now I am on the side of the revote but if there are no major injurys after the matches at SVSU and the teams that have used it in offical games say that it works out fine and is exciting and safe then I will understand and will start working with my team more on it.
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Post by hiller 87 on Sept 29, 2011 22:01:02 GMT -6
Yeah I'll let you guys know how it works this weekend after our matches.
Kevin Nguyen (LCC's captain) and I agree with McCarthy though, if we revote we need to have the opening rush from last year in the running for voting.
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Post by mtrip8 on Sept 30, 2011 9:03:45 GMT -6
I have to argue that a little bit. At the Captains meeting it was first voted we needed to change the original rush so the possible collisions two players could be stopped. Can we re vote on the rush...absolutely. But allowing to go back to the old rush would be accomplishing nothing. It would go back to same safety risks we just voted to try to remove from the game.
What people need to do this time before a re vote is actually try the different run ups, so we don't have a problem like we have now where the 0-3-4-3-0 won by a large margin because people thought it sounded good. However, it doesn't seem like many tried it before they voted for it
So I am all for a re vote but it needs to keep a run up that will avoid those body collisions that we voted should be fixed at the captains meeting.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Sept 30, 2011 15:05:37 GMT -6
The problem with the way we voted last time is that it was so unorganized and not every idea was adeqautely represented. At the captains meeting it seemed the only idea that was being talked about was changing the rule. When I feel that the majority of people really wanted to keep the rule the same.
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Post by ihateboomis on Sept 30, 2011 20:53:27 GMT -6
Read my post haha Its so rare that people get hurt in the opening rush. GO BACK TO THE OLD WAYS!
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Post by tk2 on Oct 1, 2011 17:36:27 GMT -6
I would prefer a 0-3-4-3-0 bring back, but that doesn't really look like an option. The new opening rush has changed the way I play a little. I'm quick, so when we had the old rush I would go get a ball. Now I play it conservative and don't rush for a ball because of the high likelihood I will get out right off the bat.
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Post by ihateboomis on Oct 2, 2011 14:58:10 GMT -6
Used new rules yesterday for start.. They sucked and over 10 players got smoked at the start of games. Dangerous and awful. Sweet rule haha
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Post by stokesj on Oct 2, 2011 22:39:34 GMT -6
Considering I reffed the games for MSU, SVSU, and BGSU this past weekend I was able to actually observe what was happening in the opening rush instead of being part of the chaos. I think the new opening rush went very well. People obviously ran for the first line of balls at the throw lines but when it came to the balls at mid court two possibilities happened.
1) Both teams wanted the balls at halfcourt. What ended up happening is that both teams were apprehensive about going for the balls at mid court and respected each other. What I mean by "respected" is that they were cautious about getting the balls because there were people ready to throw at them. Let's say one team finally gave in and tried to grab the ball at mid court, the other team would either relinquish the ball or the runner was thrown at. When I say thrown at I actually mean it was like "I better throw this quick and try to get him out" which resulted in kind of pansy throws. Not once did I see a fully thingyed, ready to kill throw during the opening rush. The most people I saw get out on one team during the opening rush was two. And one of those outs was completely silly because Schian completely missed his block.
2) One team just completely gave up on the mid court balls so one team started with 7 and the other with 3.
Most of the time what happened was that there was a 6-4 ball advantage. When I talked with the captains of SVSU and MSU they both seemed to agree that the opening rush during game play is completely different than that of during practice. Regardless of whether it's enjoyable or not, I still think this is a much safer option than the original run up.
Also, when we voted at the captains meeting about changing the rule we did it in steps. First I brought up whether it should be changed to a safer method. That vote was a landslide towards changing how it was. The only problem was trying to come up with something on the spot for a new method. So what we did was just to come up with something which ended up changing in the summer because it allowed the captains to think about different ways to do the run up, that way people were able to make a more informed decision.
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Post by cg on Oct 2, 2011 23:36:31 GMT -6
Wait... what does a fully thingyed throw look like?
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Post by stokesj on Oct 3, 2011 0:39:49 GMT -6
Stupid forum filter... Basically what I'm trying to say there is that the thrower never reared back for a huge throw, instead they short armed it and threw just a quick and significantly weaker throw.
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Post by kentuckybrown on Oct 4, 2011 13:06:22 GMT -6
From playing in two matches against UL and UM, I am actually finding that the new rush is starting to grow on me. (Feel free to start yelling at me) But, I think we should give this rush a fair chance and let it play out this year and at Nationals we can have a final vote then.
Now the final voting options should all be posted on here and be organized so we don't sit there like we did last year and bicker and vote for something we don't quite understand.
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Post by brogers003 on Oct 4, 2011 22:37:11 GMT -6
We have been playing with the new openin rush for a few weeks now and it hasn't caused any problems... it's actually been really fun (i mean of course some people get hit right off the bat but it hasn't really made that much of a difference in game play) Granted we do have a very young team so not many people are having to make a switch (they're just learning it from the begining) but its working for us
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