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Post by brianvanmeter on Oct 5, 2011 21:27:15 GMT -6
I agree with your point, but what I'm saying is people are more likely to run their shoulder into someone because lowering their shoulder is what they naturally do when they pick up the ball, there for making the 0-0-10-0-0 rush most dangerous. Also, I'm glad it was just a simple misunderstanding then on my part. I'm with the 3-0-4-0-3 crowed for mainly the same reasons that Spencer said a couple posts ago and what I said at the top of the last page, it prevents head on collisions, maintains the old "rush" aspect of the game, and adds a lot of new strategies to the start of the game. Plus mini-gladiator battles just sound bad ass haha.
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Post by stokesj on Oct 6, 2011 0:10:38 GMT -6
I'm not particularly for the 0-3-4-3-0 run up, in fact I do agree that it has dangers considering close range throws, but that doesn't mean that the 0-0-10-0-0 run up is any better. I'm still convinced that the 0-0-10-0-0 is far more dangerous. I've seen more broken bones and torn ligaments from someone running into another person than someone getting hit with a ball. But when you think about it, it makes sense that someone would get injured from a dodgeball in a sport where the dodgeball is being thrown at them. Showing us Dom's picture of his unfortunate finger only shows us that dodgeball is a dangerous sport. If you wanted to play the picture game then how about this?
PIC EDIT: point made - zig
Courtesy of the 0-0-10-0-0 run up. This is proof enough to me that the 0-0-10-0-0 run up is unacceptable. I'm in the band wagon of the 3-0-4-0-3. Basically removes any chance of people running full steam at each other and also removes any chances of people throwing close throws at each other. I can tell you for sure though that people won't enjoy it much either because it doesn't have that "wow" factor because it's a much slower/methodical way to get the ball advantage.
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Post by cg on Oct 6, 2011 0:14:28 GMT -6
A bit of a note on this "picture game" - you probably don't want to do this in a spot where potential players/schools, and more importantly your IM Directors and supervisors, can see it.
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Post by stokesj on Oct 6, 2011 0:24:30 GMT -6
Touche.
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Post by hiller 87 on Oct 6, 2011 7:38:12 GMT -6
I think we just need to vote on this, and ASAP. We're at the point where people aren't going to change their minds, and debating this is going nowhere. If we're going to revote on this, I say we do it right now and have the captains vote on it by next Friday or something like that.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Oct 6, 2011 9:25:38 GMT -6
Nice counter picture Jimmy. haha
I'm just saying, I don't know where you've seen all these injuries from the run-up and I'm not calling you a liar obviously, however, I've never seen more than a guy get a black eye in the rush. I've obviously heard of 2 mishaps at GVSU, but other than that there I have never heard of any serious injuries from the rush.
This is what happened to a guy I hit in the face with a dodgeball. It was pretty awesome to say the least. hahaha
PIC EDIT: oh, damn it - zig
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Post by sweeter9 on Oct 6, 2011 12:46:29 GMT -6
The way i see it is the team with the best arms are most likely going to end up with a 7-3 advantage every opening rush. At least with 0-10-0, there is a chance that any team can end up with the advantage off the rush
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Post by brianvanmeter on Oct 6, 2011 15:28:55 GMT -6
The way i see it is the team with the best arms are most likely going to end up with a 7-3 advantage every opening rush. How so?
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Oct 6, 2011 15:44:51 GMT -6
Because the people who don't have any arms on their team are not going to be challenging the guys with cannons on the other team for the 4 balls in the middle.
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Post by brianvanmeter on Oct 6, 2011 16:08:47 GMT -6
I don't understand the reason that because a person can not throw, means that they can not go and grab a ball. Just because a person has a ball doesn't mean they have to throw nor that they'll be afraid of people with cannons. Balls can be used to block, the fact that someone can not throw does not mean that they are afraid to get hit nor does it mean that they won't be able to block a thrown ball.
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Post by hiller 87 on Oct 6, 2011 16:51:55 GMT -6
As somebody who actually watched this go down in a match situation, the stronger throwing team is gonna get most of the balls. For instance, the Saginaw/BGSU match- BGSU essentially gave up on the middle balls (I'm presuming because they didn't want to get any of their guys hit) so Saginaw started off with a 7-3 advantage almost every point.
The 3-0-4-0-3 I don't like, because it gets rid of one of the aspects of speed in the game. Yes, you still want fast players to counter other people's throws and such, but it gets rid of one of the main usages of speed which is getting balls on the opening rush. I know Bomis has done all that math and stuff saying the opening rush is basically worthless when it comes down to it, but I think it's a huge momentum swing and is a good way to get the opponents demoralized by picking off a few of their players, and it's a good way to play the ball advantage.
We're going to try out all the different ideas at practice tonight, and we'll make an informed decision on MSU's part on what to vote for (assuming we have this revote).
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Post by hiller 87 on Oct 7, 2011 9:33:04 GMT -6
We practiced the old original rush, the one we did so far this season, and the 3-0-4-0-3 yesterday at practice. If we have a revote, my team is in favor of the old opening rush (0-0-10-0-0 bring back)
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Post by KFitz on Oct 7, 2011 10:53:55 GMT -6
Personally I don't have a preference as to how the balls are set up on the line, but I don't want them to be live at the whistle. And more importantly I would like to see this rule revoted/changed before someone gets hurt, on any team.
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Post by Zigmister on Oct 7, 2011 11:15:13 GMT -6
I'll get Moody and DePaul to comment after our game today, but as we have a wonderful afterparty planned at chick fil a and another after after party I assume the report won't get out till tomorrow.
then go from there on a vote. based on our practice at moody last week, we both kind of hated the balls live and ended up playing to sexy nurse
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Post by KFitz on Oct 14, 2011 9:47:01 GMT -6
So is this going to be revoted. Because I wouldn't mind that process occurring before playing GVSU SVSU and BGSU next Sunday.
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