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Post by hiller 87 on Oct 14, 2011 11:22:53 GMT -6
I agree, I think the voting for the opening rush needs to happen ASAP. Like have the votes in by Wednesday or something.
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Post by Zigmister on Oct 14, 2011 14:21:40 GMT -6
I'll put out an email later tonight or tomorrow for the vote.
Options:
Live 0-3-4-3-0 Bring Back 0-4-2-4-0 Live 0-4-2-4-0 Bring Back 0-5-0-5-0 Live 0-5-0-5-0 Live 3-0-4-0-3 Bring Back 0-0-10-0-0
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Post by kentuckybrown on Oct 14, 2011 15:57:24 GMT -6
I'm probably going to seem like a jerk for this but...I don't think it would be fair to change it this late in the season/semester. UK has already played 2 of our 5 games of the semester with our 3rd being tomorrow. I was not in favor of changing the break at the captains meeting. But since we changed it, we should at least stick it out until Nationals again or the end of the semester. If I'm not mistaken a lot of teams haven't had their first match of the year. We ought to let everyone have a "game scenario" and not a practice to evaluate it. If we were to change the rule at Nationals (or worse case semester end) it provides everyone a chance to try it out and will give us a buffer to reintroduce the old rush.
Sorry for the rant, and it looks like I might be getting another school to join the league soon!
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Post by stokesj on Oct 16, 2011 9:34:30 GMT -6
I have no issue with you guys changing the run up, but I still advise you not to revert it back to the old one. That old run up is too dangerous for the sake of a ball advantage, far more dangerous than the current run up. But I agree with Zac from UK, the current run up in practice seems to be played differently than during a game so schools should give it a chance at least until the end of first semester so schools can give it a try.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Oct 17, 2011 10:36:35 GMT -6
There is such limited evidence of people getting hurt I really don't see the problem to change it back to the previous opening rush. 1-3 injuries for an entire Nationals tournament on the opening rush is hardly enough to not consider going back. Ball advantage is a huge deal in this game regardless of whatever the number show. Getting ball advantage in this game is even more of a mental boost. There should be no reason we can't change it back to the old way. Especially when so many people are in favor are changing it back to the old way.
I'm not saying I don't want people to be safe. I just feel there were not that many injuries that this rule needed to be changed.
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Post by stokesj on Oct 17, 2011 11:56:16 GMT -6
I want everyone to take a look at these two statements. "Ball advantage is a huge deal in this game regardless of whatever the number show." And "1-3 injuries for an entire Nationals tournament on the opening rush is hardly enough to not consider going back." Which of these is more important, gaining a ball advantage which amounts to nothing as proven with evidence by Bomis, or ensuring that fewer people are injured from a dangerous run up. I'm not saying you shouldn't change the current run up to something else, I'm saying you should not change the run up to the original 0-10-0 line up. Also, the logic in McCarthy's first sentence is flawed considering it's still very possible to gain a ball advantage with the current run up.
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Post by Belushi on Oct 17, 2011 12:24:56 GMT -6
The only issue I have with the new opening rush is that we were attempting to make it safer by changing it, yet I feel there is now a larger chance of getting injured. The way I see it, before people collided on accident occasionally. Now you have a chance to rock someone in the face on purpose from close range, and it will happen much more often then collisions.
We put a kid in the hospital with a head shot from half court opening night, I can only imagine how he would have faired if he had got hit running a suicide mission.
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Post by knucklepuck on Oct 17, 2011 16:28:26 GMT -6
i for one am in favor of bringing back the old rush. if we are this worried about having contact onthe rush we could look into actually carding people for contact whether intentional or not possibly. or if that wont work one of the other rush ideas, because after playing a match with this new rule the fun of the game appears to be reduced and here at depaul that jsut wont stand
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Post by stokesj on Oct 17, 2011 16:48:13 GMT -6
Yeah, if that happened from the new rush then I agree that it should be changed. Maybe do the less exciting 4-2-4 or 3-4-3 bring back or 3-0-4-0-3 auto live (each team is handed 3 balls and gladiator their way for the 4 in the middle).
The advantage of doing a 4-2-4 or 3-4-3 is that it reduces the number of bodies likely to collide when compared with the 0-10-0 opening rush.
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Post by Zigmister on Oct 17, 2011 17:36:27 GMT -6
So far, 7 teams for a Rush revote, 1 team against a revote, and 1 upcoming team for a revote. Deadline to establish a revote is 8pm this Wed, and if a majority of teams want a revote (11 of the 20 member-teams) the actually instant runoff vote deadline would be friday at 8pm.
This is also in the email i sent out to the NCDA contact list.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Oct 17, 2011 21:20:37 GMT -6
So what are we waiting for?
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Post by cg on Oct 17, 2011 22:53:37 GMT -6
So what are we waiting for? As a matter of practicality, you to lobby four more teams for a revote. What Zig is doing, intentionally or otherwise, is having the NCDA follow Robert's Rules of Order, quite literally the book on How To Get Stuff Done. A central theme of RROO is the quorum, or "the minimum amount of people needed to conduct business." In America that number is a majority. It's done that way to prevent a vocal minority from lording over a group as a whole. In other words, it stops loudmouths like me and you from acting like we know what's best and having that impact 20+ teams without the consent of most of them. If you can't get more than half to want to change things, it'll have to wait.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Oct 17, 2011 22:59:26 GMT -6
It doesn't help that only 8 teams use the forum and regularly participate in the conversations. lol But then again Bomis, don't us loudmouths know what's best for everyone? hahahaha Apparently not cause I keep getting Smited. lmfao
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Post by stokesj on Oct 18, 2011 0:44:15 GMT -6
I have yet to smite thee, I think I've only smote Stein once.
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Post by Zigmister on Oct 18, 2011 3:34:28 GMT -6
Yes sir, i like following the Rules of Order as much as possible, i mostly do all the rules and policy based off simple majority. That and open ballot, and instant runoff vote.
If anyone has any problems with anything, i'm more than happy to yield to majority rule. As for now, i'm just organizing all the votes & conversation as neutral and fair as I can... (DePaul votes it's league decisions by membership majority vote anyway). I just try to function as the chairman/speaker here.
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