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Post by stokesj on Nov 23, 2010 7:55:26 GMT -6
I don't see how people can honestly think that the run up is a good idea. You might as well line the balls up in front of a wall, have your guys run as fast as they can and see who can stop on a dime but those that don't just smash into the wall. This is basically the same thing, the difference is that you're running at the wall while the wall is running at you.
I don't think anyone has posted a legitimate reason to keep the opening rush other than "fast people benefit, even at the cost of their health." Basically everything I see is "we should keep this because it's how it's always been." I'm not bringing up this rule change because I think we're especially good or bad at the run up, I'm proposing a change after seeing years of punishment from the run up and after one of my players was leveled by a shoulder to the head.
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Post by stokesj on Nov 23, 2010 9:51:35 GMT -6
FYI there's no self interest for me in changing this rule. This is my last year, so changing this rule won't effect me at all. I'm proposing this because I think it's honestly best for the league and the players.
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Post by stokesj on Nov 23, 2010 10:22:25 GMT -6
These are the types of discussions we need to be having prior to April. Regardless of your feelings on a topic like the opening rush, it's important that we address safety concerns, especially when they come from the captain of the NCDA's reigning champion. Stokes, I encourage you - and everyone else who has a rule they'd like to change - to type up a one page outline of what you've said in this thread (why you want to change the rule, what advantages the new rule would have, how it would be enforced, etc) and we'll make sure to pass it out at the captains' meeting. You can give a quick spiel while the captains look over the outline, and then once everyone has presented their proposed changes, we'll vote on each issue. This seems to be the fairest way to handle something as important as the opening rush. What does everyone think? Okay here's the proposal. Attachments:
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Post by woojumbo on Nov 23, 2010 10:36:22 GMT -6
There is no need to punish a team for having better athletes, its been mentioned that players are getting more athletic and faster, thats advancing the sport. During our recent game against GV im almost positive on every opening rush we ended up with a ball advantage, so why punish a team for having faster players? The proposed idea does not punish teams for being athletic, there is still running involved for the last 4 balls. And actually if your team is athletic enough than you should be able to get to the first row of balls and have them activated in time to get the people running for the middle balls out. Thats total crap the last 4 balls are you kidding me? I have seen our team numerous times get 8 or 9 balls. so what we get capped at getting 7 balls total for being fast?
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Post by sweeter9 on Nov 23, 2010 11:37:34 GMT -6
Rarely does any team get more than 7 balls anyways. I actually kind of like this new rule. Takes a little bit of strategy to get the win. Also, breaking my knee cap would not be a great way to spend the rest of my college career. As JackAttack said on another thread, think a little bit about your future here. My shoulder is already going to be terrible from throwing baseballs, let alone 8.5inch dodgeballs. Why damage any other part of my body for the sake of getting 1 more dodgeball during an opening rush.
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Post by svcard27 on Nov 23, 2010 12:36:54 GMT -6
These are the types of discussions we need to be having prior to April. Regardless of your feelings on a topic like the opening rush, it's important that we address safety concerns, especially when they come from the captain of the NCDA's reigning champion. Stokes, I encourage you - and everyone else who has a rule they'd like to change - to type up a one page outline of what you've said in this thread (why you want to change the rule, what advantages the new rule would have, how it would be enforced, etc) and we'll make sure to pass it out at the captains' meeting. You can give a quick spiel while the captains look over the outline, and then once everyone has presented their proposed changes, we'll vote on each issue. This seems to be the fairest way to handle something as important as the opening rush. What does everyone think? Okay here's the proposal. stokes.. this seems really interesting to me now that im able to see what you were talking about. im all for the opening rush, its intense and it's something the crowd loves to see. i understand injuries occur and this can cause us to evaluate things. im not for a rule change, but if one were to happen, this seems like the best way of doing it.
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Post by trippiedigv12 on Nov 23, 2010 13:12:34 GMT -6
Hahaha, My team doesn't have fast players, so lets take out the opening rush. So lets make it fair so that everyone can play. This isn't elementary school. I don't have a tall guy on my basketball team, lets take out the jump ball. I don't have a good kicker, lets take out extra points and field goals. I don't have a good base runner, lets take out steals. The game shouldn't be changed in order to accommodate players who are not as fast as others. This is how the game has been played for as long as any of us can remember. Why change it so people who aren't as fast have a chance? McCarthy is thiiiisss close to stumbling upon the secret, evil GVSU Dodgeball plan to win a 5th straight nationals tournament by keeping its team healthy enough to compete while every other team beats the crap out of each other on the run up like every-men the waydodgeballshouldbeplayed.
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Post by stokesj on Nov 23, 2010 13:15:51 GMT -6
Greg, shhh everyone else might find out too!
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Post by trippiedigv12 on Nov 23, 2010 13:25:11 GMT -6
GVSU-SVSU run-up results
P1 - GVSU 6-4 [Point outcome = SVSU victory] P2 - SVSU 6-4 [Point outcome = halftime] P3 - SVSU 6-4 [Point outcome = SVSU victory] P4 - GVSU 6-4 [Point outcome = SVSU victory]
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Post by Josh Raymer on Nov 23, 2010 13:37:46 GMT -6
Looks good to me, Stokes. We'll have copies ready for everyone at the captains meeting. Anyone else looking to propose a rule change - please write up something like Stokes did and submit it to our NCDA gmail or attach it in the appropriate thread. We'd also like everyone to speak about their proposed rule change at the meeting if they'd like, so keep that in mind too.
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Post by Zigmister on Nov 23, 2010 15:13:26 GMT -6
Updated the rulebook with the proposal: NEW 3.2.1 Setup - Four (4) dodgeballs are spaced evenly along halfcourt. The remaining six (6) balls are split evenly and placed on each team's neutral zone line, three (3) balls for each team. Teams line up behind their respective baselines. All officiating staff should have the necessary officiating equipment ready and operational. [See D 2.2.2.5]
Also, under this, it is technically possible for Team A to capture Team B's balls if they were fast enough or Team B just didn't rush. Really I'm just putting that down for the Casebook so i don't forget.
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Post by stokesj on Nov 23, 2010 18:09:21 GMT -6
Yeah, technically you CAN get all 10 balls with this idea but realistically I just don't see it happening.
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Post by jackattack on Nov 23, 2010 22:37:26 GMT -6
This isn't much different from a rule change I suggested last March, but I like Jimmy's proposal. Don't go tea party and hate this change just because it's change... this could really help things and diminish player-on-player contact. That was my argument for this change all along, and it remains that way.
Also, woojumbo... don't think I know you but that's sort of beside the point... don't create strawmen to show your distaste of this change. No one wants to change the balls we play with or the way our court is set up. It's a really simple rule change and honestly a very, very minuscule part of the sport. Besides, what crowds outside of N. Michigan schools are being referenced? This sport and it's rules are for us, not the fans.
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Post by Spencer Jardine - SVSU on Nov 23, 2010 23:15:28 GMT -6
I vote we line the balls with nails and spikes. Fans love blood!
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Post by jackattack on Nov 23, 2010 23:20:37 GMT -6
I vote we line the balls with nails and spikes. Fans love blood! While we're at it, can we please put a stick of C4 in a random dodgeball?
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