mtrip8
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Post by mtrip8 on Oct 20, 2011 10:08:25 GMT -6
There was a deadline given to vote by on the email for 8:00pm on Wednesday night, and if the vote passed we had to vote on a new rush by 8:00pm Friday
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Post by Zigmister on Oct 20, 2011 11:13:41 GMT -6
^ What he said. Upcoming members don't have voting rights yet, so there's 20 voting member-teams in the league. I couldn't ask for a vote mid-season without first seeing if a majority wanted a vote in the first place.
Here's the email i sent out to the team contacts:
I didn't feel like putting in the hyperlinks, but it's decently obvious where they would link.
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Post by JMUDodge on Oct 20, 2011 12:56:11 GMT -6
FWIW even though we don't have voting rights as of yet,
We like 3-4-3. We've tried out all the possibilities that were given in the original vote, and the guys seem to like 3-4-3, no one seemed opposed to it. Makes the the start of the game pretty quick, gets to be pretty insane in the middle, but no real downside.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Oct 20, 2011 16:00:48 GMT -6
Why would there be a deadline on getting your votes in? People should have a vote regardless of whether get it in on time or not. Some people do not check their e-mail regularly ESPECIALLY when it comes to dodgeball e-mail. You need to get everyones vote in order for this to be legit. Otherwise your just sweeping this crap under the rug.
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cg
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Post by cg on Oct 20, 2011 19:04:31 GMT -6
Why would there be a deadline on getting your votes in? People should have a vote regardless of whether get it in on time or not. Some people do not check their e-mail regularly ESPECIALLY when it comes to dodgeball e-mail. You need to get everyones vote in order for this to be legit. Otherwise your just sweeping this crap under the rug. So in other words WKU or UK could hold your opening rush movement hostage by just declining to vote, since not everyone would have voted. The difficulty with letting less than a majority decide something is that they keep calling votes again, and again, and again, until the one time someone doesn't pay attention at which point the minority goes "Welp, lookie there, more than 50% of votes cast, we win!" Here's what I don't get: This thread has gone on for eight pages for some big emergency over four months of NCDA games; not your practices, which you all do however you want (eg DePaul, Kent State, Ohio State, etc), NCDA games. MSU's got the most scheduled right now, seven games by my math. Averaging four points per game, you're talking about 28 rushes, or about 56 seconds. McCarthy, if you even have a team next term they're only set up for one day of play. You'll play maybe 12 points, and if the first-year team curse stays true you're gonna lose 'em all anyway. You're the most vocal about this happening right the **** now when it's going to impact you for all of thirty seconds if that. All this b****ing about procedure and stare decisis about something that affects less time than has been spent in this thread. Chill out, run your teams the ways you want to, remember that 99% of the game is not the opening two seconds (if it is you're playing the wrong game), and if it still matters that much in April when everyone is there, you fix it.
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Post by stokesj on Oct 20, 2011 21:20:31 GMT -6
This is when I say something like "bump" right?
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Oct 20, 2011 22:16:05 GMT -6
When you call for a vote on something like the opening rush, that many people want changed, every team should have to submit a vote Bomis. When we did this in between school years this summer EVERY team was told to rank the options or what they wanted to be the new opening rush.
I want to know where U of L, UWP, KSU, Nebraska, NSU, OSU, and Miami's votes are. Because when you have a vote you don't exclude a team because they didn't get back to you in time.
But alright, since I'm a dumbass and the only one that seems to want to change this I'll keep my mouth shut. Even though I know I'm not the only one that wants it changed.
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cg
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Post by cg on Oct 20, 2011 22:53:58 GMT -6
I didn't call you a dumbass so don't infer that I did. If I want to insult you I'll be explicit.
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Post by knguyen1024 on Oct 20, 2011 22:54:00 GMT -6
i'm gonna go with mccarthy on this one. i think we should wait to get the other teams vote before calling it off. i for one usually dont check my email that often and im sure there are others that dont check theirs either. the only reason i knew about it was because sam told me about it. 10 out of the 13 teams that responded wanted a revote that should justify a revote
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Oct 20, 2011 23:09:43 GMT -6
Not what I was implying at all Bomis.
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Post by WKU-Perrone-76 on Oct 21, 2011 0:16:23 GMT -6
All I'm saying is, when the United States' citizens are told to vote on the first Tuesday of November every four years, the people who don't vote, don't get a re-do. They missed their shot. And some people are always disappointed with the outcome, you think I wanted Obama to be President? Hellllzzz no haha
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I guess by my logic though, we should have had a revote since the majority of the teams that did vote asked for a revote. But whatever lol
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Post by sweeter9 on Oct 23, 2011 21:24:56 GMT -6
As said by Felix's edit. We count the people who voted and determine a majority on that, not a majority on the maximum amount of votes. Some of these teams may not care, therefore they didnt vote. Now onto the argument that the opening rush doesnt mean much. THAT IS THE BEAUTY IN IT! There is little chance that you lose your best player for the whole point within the first 5 seconds. With the new way, there is a good chance you do lose him/her. It would be like losing Andrew Luck to injury or something in the first possession of the game.
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Post by mccarthy55cmu on Oct 23, 2011 23:11:02 GMT -6
Sweet the edit was a picture taken out of the post... But if we are going by the Majority of the teams that did vote then the majority easily chose to revote 10-3.
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Post by kentuckybrown on Oct 24, 2011 7:33:00 GMT -6
Just remember that some people might abstain, just like our Federal government. For better or worse. The current situation from my understanding is that when you have to call for a quorum you need more than 50% of the members to be present and in favor of xxx. This is to allow some people who abstain to make their voice known while being sneaky(makes their vote anonymous) about it. (Or apathetic or lazy)
Regardless, if you want to have something in place so that we can make changes without the majority of people being involved...(Not 100% sold on the idea) But, you do need to have something down in our rule book or manual.
Now to make this rule I think it would be important to get everyone on board to vote for this change (Maybe at Nationals) because in essence this could streamline a lot of discussion.
(Counterargument)-We want it to be a challenging process to change rules that way we are not constantly initiating new rules every so often and not give any of them a fair amount of time to truly come into effect.
So, do you all think we should have something in place where we can vote outside of Nationals? Do we like the quorum, do we want to designate the last week in December as a hearing platform with a vote taking place January 1st-3rd, elect a group of 5 captains/alumni/presidents to form a council that votes on things for us, or something completely out of the box? I'm just throwing around a bunch of ideas, so tear them apart.
**Edit*** How did this weekend turnout for all of the matches taking place?
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Post by peters27 on Oct 24, 2011 12:31:56 GMT -6
I just don't understand that, if we wanted to make the opening rush more "exciting", then how is a maximum of 7 people (3 getting the first set, and then at most 4 heroes trying to go for the middle ones off the start) from each team rushing, more exciting than 10 people rushing for balls right off the beginning?
And I know last year was my first year, but I have not seen a single real injury from the opening rush besides stupid people diving at the ball with their shoulder, which could be prevented.
I feel like the new rush is more of a standoff (from what I've played of it, albeit, I admit, hasn't been too much besides practice and a bit over the summer with McCarthy) than the 0-10-0 rush was.
And yeah, to say that since all the teams didn't vote, and yet the vote was like 10-3 on a re-vote, but since the other ~8 "eligible" teams didn't vote, there will be no re-vote is horrible logic in my opinion lol.
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